If someone makes a deadly boss mods type addon for ARR would you use it?

[Jeronlmo]

If D3 has adds then most people will use them, and Devs will have to compensate

Therefore, it affects my gameplay. And I want to play the game I bought, not the game I bought + 30 3rd party addons (that may or may not contain viruses)

I guess i should have thrown another quote in there, i was responding to rmt being put into the game... legally

Except that RMTs are poisonous to the game environment? Someone else choosing to use addons affects your gameplay about as much as somebody choosing to turn their music off.
Actually scratch that, it would affect your gameplay - that person you may be pugging Titan with in the future that is a bit slow on the uptake might actually get out of range of Quake in time and not cause a wipe thanks to having HNMBuster or whatever it would be called here.

or it would cause devs to design the game around the fact that people use it. Thereby affecting game play of those who dont.

But yea... I get were the minority now, wow brought the casual out of everyone and their mom (literally), or maby you could account the (soccer mom) thing more to the wii, but reguardless, I get nothing will change, its funny that people are arguing over this, there will be legalized bots (addons), end of story, its already in the game design.

[LemmingKingXXX]

I guess i should have thrown another quote in there, i was responding to rmt being put into the game... legally

which actually has a lesser effect on gameplay than if RMT was third-party under the radar
removal of black market influences makes RMT follow normal economics just as with fake game currency

[Renen]

I guess i should have thrown another quote in there, i was responding to rmt being put into the game... legally

Oh right...
I was just comparing RMTs to DBMs. Because RMTs destroy game economy and DBMs make you subpar to those who use them (if you yourself dont).
Like I said before, I want to play this game and not this game + 30 addons. But IF i dont use addons then lots of groups WILL exclude me.

[Shougun]

Oh right...
I was just comparing RMTs to DBMs. Because RMTs destroy game economy and DBMs make you subpar to those who use them (if you yourself dont).
Like I said before, I want to play this game and not this game + 30 addons. But IF i dont use addons then lots of groups WILL exclude me.

If the content being created demands such tools to be effective in them (because they are hard) then outside game unsupported addons will appear - like they already have. Or like in FFXI with windower.

Only solution would be to create content easy enough not to warrant third party help - as if it was created no one could care to look for it since they didnt need it. And / Or be on top of banning those using third party tools.

[ShinigamiKayla]

Oh right...
I was just comparing RMTs to DBMs. Because RMTs destroy game economy and DBMs make you subpar to those who use them (if you yourself dont).
Like I said before, I want to play this game and not this game + 30 addons. But IF i dont use addons then lots of groups WILL exclude me.

yes... I will exclude you if you can't move out of the damned fire... seriously I don't see why your arguing... the reason why you would be booted is because its an add on to help comprehend a fight -.-/ If you die you are holding the rest of the group back and I would not hesitate to kick you... seriously >.>... you would probaly cry "I NEVER GET INTO END GAME WHY DOES NO ONE TAKE ME WHY DO I NOT HAVE GEAR" then someone gives you an option so you can fight on par with ppl who geared and know fights and you would QQ about OHHH ITS TO EASY BECAUSE IT WARNS ME TO STAY OUT OF FIRE...

DBM EXISTS AND PEOPLE STILL DON'T FREAKING COMPREHEND TO MOVE OUT OF THE FIRE... it takes skill to read and understand something... Its the reason I can't stand to run endgame much anymore... less people do it because not many understand it... if you can get more of a population doing endgame more people will get crap done instead of it being an exclusive epeen club... then you have people like this whining when they would never get into endgame without such an addon... seriously Renen... you are making me face desk so hard right now...

[Renen]

yes... I will exclude you if you can't move out of the damned fire... seriously I don't see why your arguing... the reason why you would be booted is because its an add on to help comprehend a fight -.-/ If you die you are holding the rest of the group back and I would not hesitate to kick you... seriously >.>... you would probaly cry "I NEVER GET INTO END GAME WHY DOES NO ONE TAKE ME WHY DO I NOT HAVE GEAR" then someone gives you an option so you can fight on par with ppl who geared and know fights and you would QQ about OHHH ITS TO EASY BECAUSE IT WARNS ME TO STAY OUT OF FIRE...

DBM EXISTS AND PEOPLE STILL DON'T FREAKING COMPREHEND TO MOVE OUT OF THE FIRE... it takes skill to read and understand something... Its the reason I can't stand to run endgame much anymore... less people do it because not many understand it... if you can get more of a population doing endgame more people will get crap done instead of it being an exclusive epeen club... then you have people like this whining when they would never get into endgame without such an addon... seriously Renen... you are making me face desk so hard right now...

I hope you dont actually mean that I am one of those people who stand in a fire. Just for the lulz, I once tanked Ifrit as WHM... And I am always the last to die when my pt wipes to some crazy boss (unless its some un-dodgeble move that is supposed to be handles by a tank). I would actually not care (much) for people using the addons. What I WOULD care for is if I am suddenly required to sue it because the fights are being designed with the addons in mind.

[ShinigamiKayla]

I hope you dont actually mean that I am one of those people who stand in a fire. Just for the lulz, I once tanked Ifrit as WHM... And I am always the last to die when my pt wipes to some crazy boss (unless its some un-dodgeble move that is supposed to be handles by a tank). I would actually not care (much) for people using the addons. What I WOULD care for is if I am suddenly required to sue it because the fights are being designed with the addons in mind.

if you want that then have a dedicated group if I am organizing a run for something I want everyone to bring their best game and if an add on helps that then good... if i have not run with someone i can't trust them to move out of something and if they let me down yeh I'm gonna laugh because I had some requested >.>... the point is I have played end game in many MMOs and in each MMO people were required to watch videos on youtube about the fight... something like DBM can only help... If people want to do stuff they need a tiny bit of dedication and if an addon makes up for them not watching a youtube guide or being raiding virgins then its a good thing get new people introduced to the content so more people can do stuff...

ask yourself Renren... if you did not know a fight...what would you do? If you were holding us back because you would not use an add on or watch a video its your fault not the groups... its a personal issue it seems like? I got nothing against you its just the fact your so adamantly hating on such an idea... and btw Ifrit and the primal fights are easy fights... FFXIV was not built around skill... alot of MMOs like WoW are not just tank n spank fights they require A LOT of movement... Ifrit was still a stationary fight a lot of the time same with moogle and garuda...

[Jeronlmo]

yes... I will exclude you if you can't move out of the damned fire... seriously I don't see why your arguing... the reason why you would be booted is because its an add on to help comprehend a fight -.-/ If you die you are holding the rest of the group back and I would not hesitate to kick you... seriously >.>... you would probaly cry "I NEVER GET INTO END GAME WHY DOES NO ONE TAKE ME WHY DO I NOT HAVE GEAR" then someone gives you an option so you can fight on par with ppl who geared and know fights and you would QQ about OHHH ITS TO EASY BECAUSE IT WARNS ME TO STAY OUT OF FIRE...

DBM EXISTS AND PEOPLE STILL DON'T FREAKING COMPREHEND TO MOVE OUT OF THE FIRE... it takes skill to read and understand something... Its the reason I can't stand to run endgame much anymore... less people do it because not many understand it... if you can get more of a population doing endgame more people will get crap done instead of it being an exclusive epeen club... then you have people like this whining when they would never get into endgame without such an addon... seriously Renen... you are making me face desk so hard right now...

I see this often... DBM "tells you" to get out of the fire, I see this as to much, you should just know to get out of the fire, these things should be obvious, this is where we see DBM taking away from the game, info is being fed to you, the fact that it needs to tell you this should be embarrassing.

You may have the ability to listen to your bot and move out of the fire, but you dont have the ability to watch for the fire yourself, I would kick you.

[ShinigamiKayla]

I see this often... DBM "tells you" to get out of the fire, I see this as to much, you should just know to get out of the fire, these things should be obvious, this is where we see DBM taking away from the game, info is being fed to you, the fact that it needs to tell you this should be embarrassing

you would not believe how many people do not understand to move out of the fire....there are a big ton of them it does not take away from a game if it helps the big percent of the population who does not know how to move out of the fire to actually make an attempt to not stand in the fire...

[Jeronlmo]

you would not believe how many people do not understand to move out of the fire....there are a big ton of them it does not take away from a game if it helps the big percent of the population who does not know how to move out of the fire to actually make an attempt to not stand in the fire...

I would believe it, I only tried wow because my brother begged me to go tank for his crap guild, they had maby 2 people who could get out of the fire and I ditched them within days of joining.

Yet when people win the content because of DBM, they think they are good, when in fact, they are "slow", it takes away from the game, it allows tunnel vision, its easy-mode. People who can remember these things without a DBM-like crutch are the people who deserve the rewards, rewarding "slow" people (which increases subs/$ made) so i get it, is a "newer mmo" trend.