If someone makes a deadly boss mods type addon for ARR would you use it?

[Jeronlmo]

or it would cause devs to design the game around the fact that people use it. Thereby affecting game play of those who dont.

Diablo3 did that.

[Shougun]

It does what you should do, simulates human activity, if you cannot manage to not tunnel vision, and the bot does this for you, its a bot, you can change the name all you want game to game, but its a bot.

Macro's are bots then - so is it when quests animate your character for you during scenes.

[LemmingKingXXX]

if it doesn't make inputs into the game allowing actions to be taken independently of the player, it isn't a bot
on screen information displayed by a plugin doesn't allow automated or player-independent actions, it shifts the location of relevant information from the brain/internet into a front-and-center position

[Renen]

It does what you should do, simulates human activity, if you cannot manage to not tunnel vision, and the bot does this for you, its a bot, you can change the name all you want game to game, but its a bot.

I think that its not a bot, but if you get tunnel vision, its your fault.
I agree with the previous poster that in places like Garuda fight, it should just tell you the HP%. If you actually need a big sign on the screen to tell you to move (or stop DPS), then you shouldn't be doing the fight.

[Promethevs]

what mod is there to use in d3 that the devs are designing around? d3 has no mods...

Also, I'd like to watch a stream of you having DBM play for you while you do nothing. All it is is basically a rehash of the combat log, in more noticeable form, and with timers (and hardcoded timers are easily counteracted by semi-randomized ability timing windows, something prevalent in WoW). The addon absolutely does not tell you what to do, nor does it perform in-game actions for you (which is why it is not a bot). By your definition using a filtered combat log would be equivalent to botting...

[Renen]

Diablo3 did that.

If D3 has adds then most people will use them, and Devs will have to compensate

Therefore, it affects my gameplay. And I want to play the game I bought, not the game I bought + 30 3rd party addons (that may or may not contain viruses)

[Jeronlmo]

Macro's are bots then - so is it when quests animate your character for you during scenes.

I didnt say it wasnt? There can be different forms of bots, but its still a bot, calling it an addon doesnt make it not a bot. Addons are player-made bots, that forever try to make things easier because they are human, its what people do. DBM type addon (bot) will do nothing but ruin content until the game breaks, SE does not have the resources to accommodate content constantly being ruined like wow can, you will not see weekly/monthly major updates, it will not happen, whether this looks bad for SE, idc, its true, they just cant do it.. lol.

Bots at their base would include macro's and those kinda things, but those are built into the game, the idea of an "addon" is because its an option to add it onto your version of the game, its not default, in endgame you have to use an "addon" or your gimp. Macro's unlike DBM was on the game the second you downloaded it, you didnt have to go anywhere, the option is just there.

If it was built into the game and everyone "had" to use it, and the "purist" bs couldnt even exist, then I would have no resistance.

[Jeronlmo]

If D3 has adds then most people will use them, and Devs will have to compensate

Therefore, it affects my gameplay. And I want to play the game I bought, not the game I bought + 30 3rd party addons (that may or may not contain viruses)

I guess i should have thrown another quote in there, i was responding to rmt being put into the game... legally

Except that RMTs are poisonous to the game environment? Someone else choosing to use addons affects your gameplay about as much as somebody choosing to turn their music off.
Actually scratch that, it would affect your gameplay - that person you may be pugging Titan with in the future that is a bit slow on the uptake might actually get out of range of Quake in time and not cause a wipe thanks to having HNMBuster or whatever it would be called here.

or it would cause devs to design the game around the fact that people use it. Thereby affecting game play of those who dont.

But yea... I get were the minority now, wow brought the casual out of everyone and their mom (literally), or maby you could account the (soccer mom) thing more to the wii, but reguardless, I get nothing will change, its funny that people are arguing over this, there will be legalized bots (addons), end of story, its already in the game design.

[LemmingKingXXX]

I guess i should have thrown another quote in there, i was responding to rmt being put into the game... legally

which actually has a lesser effect on gameplay than if RMT was third-party under the radar
removal of black market influences makes RMT follow normal economics just as with fake game currency

[Renen]

I guess i should have thrown another quote in there, i was responding to rmt being put into the game... legally

Oh right...
I was just comparing RMTs to DBMs. Because RMTs destroy game economy and DBMs make you subpar to those who use them (if you yourself dont).
Like I said before, I want to play this game and not this game + 30 addons. But IF i dont use addons then lots of groups WILL exclude me.