No Arrows in ARR?!

[Vanguard319]

Archer and Bard needs to spend gil to preform their basic function no other class has to spend gil to preform their basic function.

So what? I started out as an archer, I leveled it all the way to 50, then unlocked bard, and as I said before I never once cried about the fact I had to buy ammo. I have given multiple reasons why removing ammo is more trouble than keeping it, the only response I have recieved pretty much amounts to "well I don't like it" in one form or another.

Therefore, I'm just going to claim victory in this debate since the naysayers couldn't come up with anything better than selfish reasons or statements of entitlement.

Ciao.

[Zumi]

So what? I started out as an archer, I leveled it all the way to 50, then unlocked bard, and as I said before I never once cried about the fact I had to buy ammo. I have given multiple reasons why removing ammo is more trouble than keeping it, the only response I have recieved pretty much amounts to "well I don't like it" in one form or another.

Therefore, I'm just going to claim victory in this debate since the naysayers couldn't come up with anything better than selfish reasons or statements of entitlement.

Ciao.

It's a quality of life improvement for Bard and Archer and puts them on par with everything else in terms of spending gil. Some people on here keep acting like its a bad thing when nobody should be complaining about it.

[Shougun]

So what? I started out as an archer, I leveled it all the way to 50, then unlocked bard, and as I said before I never once cried about the fact I had to buy ammo. I have given multiple reasons why removing ammo is more trouble than keeping it, the only response I have recieved pretty much amounts to "well I don't like it" in one form or another.

Therefore, I'm just going to claim victory in this debate since the naysayers couldn't come up with anything better than selfish reasons or statements of entitlement.

Ciao.

You lose, I win.

Why because a bunch of baseless reasons similar to the ones you gave.

Arrows is an outdated mechanic, SE could revamp the arrow system and maintain its consumption but they have however choose not to. If you want to revive it then give a good reason why, not ask us why not.

If you are trying to make motion it is on you to give good reason why. And as far as im concerned "it costs money and I think im cool for paying it, makes me l33t" is not a good reason.

More reasonable points to take down:
Gilsink lost - carpteners are getting housing items
Realism lost - Its easy to argue this one either way and I think this is the best bet for argument

[Vanguard319]

If you are trying to make motion it is on you to give good reason why. And as far as im concerned "it costs money and I think im cool for paying it, makes me l33t" is not a good reason.

More reasonable points to take down:
Gilsink lost - carpteners are getting housing items
Realism lost - Its easy to argue this one either way and I think this is the best bet for argument

Dunno why I'm even going to grace this with an answer...

where the hell in my argument did I EVER say I was rich or was leet?!?! If you really must know I currently have less than 100k on my char right now, and the most I've ever had in this game at any time was 3 million gil (which is not much in this game) and I still have no problem affording ammunition for my bard, I have yet to beat garuda or van darnus on hard or even extreme mode yet, I hardly consider myself leet. I used myself as an example, but I'm pretty sure there are plenty of main job arcs/brds who got to level 50, and never once cursed the fact that they had to buy ammo.

Also, justifying getting rid of something because you think it is archaic or outdated is just concieted of you. As I stated before, no one has given a good reason to get rid of the feature. (and given that you keep repeating the same garbage, it's unlikely there is one) Until I hear otherwise from say a mod or a dev, I say to you again: I win, debate over, goodbye.

[Shougun]

Dunno why I'm even going to grace this with an answer...

where the hell in my argument did I EVER say I was rich or was leet?!?! If you really must know I currently have less than 100k on my char right now, and the most I've ever had in this game at any time was 3 million gil (which is not much in this game) and I still have no problem affording ammunition for my bard, I have yet to beat garuda or van darnus on hard or even extreme mode yet, I hardly consider myself leet. I used myself as an example, but I'm pretty sure there are plenty of main job arcs/brds who got to level 50, and never once cursed the fact that they had to buy ammo.

Also, justifying getting rid of something because you think it is archaic or outdated is just concieted of you. As I stated before, no one has given a good reason to get rid of the feature. (and given that you keep repeating the same garbage, it's unlikely there is one) Until I hear otherwise from say a mod or a dev, I say to you again: I win, debate over, goodbye.

Im sorry did you say I win again?

Also never said you are rich, just said the "I did it so everyone else has to" complaint is useless. And unlike you I dont have to provide a reason why its gone, so it doesn't matter what I say (arrows are gone because chocolate tastes good, just a dandy reason for you). Since SE has removed it and you are complaining its gone, you have to give reason and petition it back.

Since you cant, I must win (according to your logic)

[Deakka]

Dunno why I'm even going to grace this with an answer...

where the hell in my argument did I EVER say I was rich or was leet?!?! If you really must know I currently have less than 100k on my char right now, and the most I've ever had in this game at any time was 3 million gil (which is not much in this game) and I still have no problem affording ammunition for my bard, I have yet to beat garuda or van darnus on hard or even extreme mode yet, I hardly consider myself leet. I used myself as an example, but I'm pretty sure there are plenty of main job arcs/brds who got to level 50, and never once cursed the fact that they had to buy ammo.

Also, justifying getting rid of something because you think it is archaic or outdated is just concieted of you. As I stated before, no one has given a good reason to get rid of the feature. (and given that you keep repeating the same garbage, it's unlikely there is one) Until I hear otherwise from say a mod or a dev, I say to you again: I win, debate over, goodbye.

Wow... the "I win" stuff should have stayed in second grade in my opinion. You've yet to even address the system, other than the fact of "I did it, so should everyone else". Just because a system limps on and functions does not mean it's a good system. Tell me with a straight face you enjoy spending an hour a week (rough estimate) or the equivalent in gil to get your arrows. I can tell you, unless you're nuts, you don't enjoy it. Your only defense of the system is that it works now. There's always room to change it for the better. As of now, it's a chore.

MMO's are focusing more on real content rather than chore based gameplay.

*Edit* And it's not just a few people here on forums who think the system is outdated. The industry as a whole has moved away from consumable ammo within the past few years. They realized that no matter how much immersion there is or minor economy flow (since it's not a gil sink to begin with unless you use only vendor arrows), chores like this only serve to add to player burnout.

[KaplanHomahru]

So what? I started out as an archer, I leveled it all the way to 50, then unlocked bard, and as I said before I never once cried about the fact I had to buy ammo. I have given multiple reasons why removing ammo is more trouble than keeping it, the only response I have recieved pretty much amounts to "well I don't like it" in one form or another.

Therefore, I'm just going to claim victory in this debate since the naysayers couldn't come up with anything better than selfish reasons or statements of entitlement.

Ciao.

Just because you didn't complain about it, doesn't mean there is nothing wrong with it.

The fact is, arrows are a gil/timesink that archer/bards must participate in to do any content at all. You can spew forth nonsense about optional/enhancing consumables all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that arrows are/were technically an imbalance.

[Deakka]

So what? I started out as an archer, I leveled it all the way to 50, then unlocked bard, and as I said before I never once cried about the fact I had to buy ammo. I have given multiple reasons why removing ammo is more trouble than keeping it, the only response I have recieved pretty much amounts to "well I don't like it" in one form or another.

Therefore, I'm just going to claim victory in this debate since the naysayers couldn't come up with anything better than selfish reasons or statements of entitlement.

Ciao.

You gathered those arrows because you had to. It was just a part of the game mechanic at the time, and now it's changing. It's a quality of life adjustment. I frequent these forums often and I rarely (if ever) saw requests for dropping ammunition in game. You're bringing the mentality of "If I had to do it, so does everyone else" into it.

I have a bard at 50, and I still spend an hour or two farming mats for the week. I never complain, I just accept it. Now I'll be glad that I won't be stuck doing busy work for said hour in the future.

In addition, remember the entire TP system is changing (one of the biggest reasons why people use those consumables is to increase their TP gain). So chakrams, bomb arms, beans etc will just be used for pulling. In fact, they may not even be needed for that (referencing the new DRG ranged tp attack from the gameplay vids). Those throwing items are going to lose their value in utility dramatically, so we'll see far less people using them. So any argument based on those consumables will become void in ARR.

It's a brave new world, and it's changing. Things become obsolete (ammo, throwing items), new things take their place, eventually some of those may become obsolete. Fearing change leads to stagnation. Yoshi-P is bringing us progress, even if he has to drag us...kicking and screaming all the way

[Ingolf]

So what? I started out as an archer, I leveled it all the way to 50, then unlocked bard, and as I said before I never once cried about the fact I had to buy ammo. I have given multiple reasons why removing ammo is more trouble than keeping it, the only response I have recieved pretty much amounts to "well I don't like it" in one form or another.

Therefore, I'm just going to claim victory in this debate since the naysayers couldn't come up with anything better than selfish reasons or statements of entitlement.

Ciao.

We're all really proud of you. Most of us actually enjoy keeping our gil for other things.

Chakram, throwing knives, throwing axes, shall I go on? And yes, people do use them.

You don't need these as a core part of your job. More about min-maxing your performance.

ARC/BRD are useless without arrows.