Quote Originally Posted by Krausus View Post
Relics require serious dedication and time. Those not willing to dedicate themselves to said time synch dont deserve a Relic.


PS: If people really want to shorten the time it takes to get seals then they need to work in a static and dump seals on to one person, that is the only way to get things done in a short amount of time.
Again, where did I say I won't put in the time? And by the way, I've spent more time in hamlets than those walking around with relics...in part, cause I'm being nice and making sure EVERYONE gets a seal, and not just 'the progression team'.

The underlying point of this post IS NOT:
Hamlets are hard (they are not, we don't even need a top 20 in our group to consistantly get 60K+battles) Yes, they require a bit of learning in the very beginning, but it's not rocket science.

nor is the point:

I want my seals immediately! Again, I don't mind a grind to an extent. The complaints start to happen when you've spend close to 2 months in game doing the same thing over and over...and still have 1-2 months left before you are done. And this is just one step... the EASY step.

The points the OP and several of us were trying to make were these:

1. If you work hard as an individual or a group to get a top 3 provisioner, 4-6 hours of hamlet grinding should = about 2 seals for that. As most people don't play for more than 6 hours, it is a reasonable expectation that something meant to speed up a process (getting seals) actually should. The whole 'you didn't play long enough' is silly talk. If we would be able to grind hamlets 10-16 hours a day every day, we wouldn't need the boost in seals from having a top provisioner in the first place. (Also, while Scy probably didn't update his OP, he DID end up grinding 13 hamlets...he got 2/13 and it took about 7 hours of his life)

2. The time required in general to get 8 people 9/9 on seals is a bit much. No matter how you look at it, awesome luck =42 hours of grinding (this is a assuming one drop per run)...a more practical number is 85ish hours (using a 50% drop rate). The point most people are missing is while yes, the seals go to the individual and while yes, we individiually need them as turn ins for the quest, the quest 'A Relic Reborn' requires a full party. You can't earn your weapon by yourself. You'll need a group.

3. We are not saying we wish for an 'easy button'. Our group is Hamleting everyday. To the point I'd argue people are getting testy with eachother because they are sick of this whole hamlet grind thing. Some of them have over 200 hamlet runs in...and 6ish seals. 200 Hamlet clears are typically not done by people who 'aren't willing to work'

Look, if in the next patch, SE made the drop rate the same as the 'Helm no one wants' or 1 every run, it wouldn't hurt the elite at all. There are still so many hurdles in the quest that will trip up the less experienced and skilled that being all high and mighty is a waste of time.

TL: DR I've put in more time towards relic already than those walking around on my server with the actual relic weapon. No one was complaining about the difficulty, just the lack of reward for a provisioner status based.