"The Adventures of RNG!" Top 3 Hamlet Provisioner

[Velhart]

Relics require serious dedication and time. Those not willing to dedicate themselves to said time synch dont deserve a Relic.


PS: If people really want to shorten the time it takes to get seals then they need to work in a static and dump seals on to one person, that is the only way to get things done in a short amount of time.

I don't think the complaint is towards the time and dedication towards relics. Most acknowledge it is a long process and not everyone will have one. I believe the complaint is simply towards requiring much of your time in one night to accomplish something, which only really counts for Hamlet. Other portions of the relic quests can be progressed at any pace without a "Top 20" or "Top 3" holding them down. I think the main complaint is the concept of Hamlet and its requirements to just "open" the relic quest.

[TheVedis]

I don't think the complaint is towards the time and dedication towards relics. Most acknowledge it is a long process and not everyone will have one. I believe the complaint is simply towards requiring much of your time in one night to accomplish something, which only really counts for Hamlet. Other portions of the relic quests can be progressed at any pace without a "Top 20" or "Top 3" holding them down. I think the main complaint is the concept of Hamlet and its requirements to just "open" the relic quest.

you DO NOT need top 20s or top 3s to get past this part, they just make getting a 60k score for the best drop easier
you can easily get a 60k score without one, just requires skill(yes skill, you heard me) which ALOT of people lack

so if you "need" one, you lack the skill, plain and simple, to do without

and 50k vs 60k seal drop rate isnt too much different


the main point the op originaly made was that he was complaining about how he didnt feel his contribution was worth it to donate cuz he didnt have time to play

it had nothing to do with the drop rates really, they didnt have time to really do runs to get a real drop rate going
it had everything to do with the lack of time they had to play, and their complaint that its unfair because they dont have more time
SE cant give them more time, only make it easier, they DO NOT need to make it easier though, therefore, its a personal issue

[Quicksilver]

you DO NOT need top 20s or top 3s to get past this part, they just make getting a 60k score for the best drop easier
you can easily get a 60k score without one, just requires skill(yes skill, you heard me) which ALOT of people lack

so if you "need" one, you lack the skill, plain and simple, to do without

and 50k vs 60k seal drop rate isnt too much different


the main point the op originaly made was that he was complaining about how he didnt feel his contribution was worth it to donate cuz he didnt have time to play

it had nothing to do with the drop rates really, they didnt have time to really do runs to get a real drop rate going
it had everything to do with the lack of time they had to play, and their complaint that its unfair because they dont have more time
SE cant give them more time, only make it easier, they DO NOT need to make it easier though, therefore, its a personal issue

Your concept of "time" scares me greatly.

Your responses are *exactly* the same every time, no matter what anyone says. SE can't give people more time, but they can damn well introduce content that doesn't require 6+ hours of it in one sitting.

What I don't understand is that a token system benefits everyone. Hardcore's get progress faster by the virtue of getting more of them, casual's feel like they have a tangible goal to work towards. The system as it is just punishes people for not playing for X amount of time. This is always SEs problem, they never reward people for doing things. They punish them for not doing it. (Hi2U speed runs)

[TheVedis]

Your concept of "time" scares me greatly.

Your responses are *exactly* the same every time, no matter what anyone says. SE can't give people more time, but they can damn well introduce content that doesn't require 6+ hours of it in one sitting.

What I don't understand is that a token system benefits everyone. Hardcore's get progress faster by the virtue of getting more of them, casual's feel like they have a tangible goal to work towards. The system as it is just punishes people for not playing for X amount of time. This is always SEs problem, they never reward people for doing things. They punish them for not doing it. (Hi2U speed runs)

they DO give us content that doesnt take tons of time

they introduce nothing but it for the most part

they introduce 1 thing that takes longer and people blow up over it

seriously, if you think this game lacks short content, you have an issue


and my responses being the same? of course they are, i speak truth in what i say, i use logic

alot of you do the same thing with same responses, but you use blind rage because you feel slighted by something that you DO NOT LIKE. you dont have time, therefore they must make you get it faster
they make a drop rate low, well not good enough , raise it

alot of the responses people seem to give me are the same, they do not like the content therefore it must be changed to suit their personal needs, they want want want everything, and if they cant have it and quickly, something is wrong with the game

prove that isnt what people are whining about, it cant be done, because in the end, thats what it all comes down to, people want things faster

[Krausus]

I don't think the complaint is towards the time and dedication towards relics. Most acknowledge it is a long process and not everyone will have one. I believe the complaint is simply towards requiring much of your time in one night to accomplish something, which only really counts for Hamlet. Other portions of the relic quests can be progressed at any pace without a "Top 20" or "Top 3" holding them down. I think the main complaint is the concept of Hamlet and its requirements to just "open" the relic quest.

Hamlet isnt even the hard part, sure its a time synch but its not like the only reward is seals, also that time synch can be shortened if done correctly. To many people are under the impression that once they get past the hamlet hurdle then its a cake walk from there. 17 min CC and AV speed runs are gonna stop a lot of people in their tracks, I predict a month or 2 from now thats gonna be one of the biggest complaints, then after that you have to do extremely hard faction leves (said to be even harder then getting 17 min AV/CC runs). then you get to look forward to extreme Ifrit and garuda. You know how many LS's can not even get past Garuda let alone Extreme Ifrit.

edit: also top 20 is not needed at all as long as you get 60K points there is a pretty decent drop rate on seals, Im not even sure if top 20 increases this at all, top 3 is the only thing for sure that increases chances because being in top 3 gets that person an extra chest to loot

[Velhart]

you DO NOT need top 20s or top 3s to get past this part, they just make getting a 60k score for the best drop easier
you can easily get a 60k score without one, just requires skill(yes skill, you heard me) which ALOT of people lack

so if you "need" one, you lack the skill, plain and simple, to do without

and 50k vs 60k seal drop rate isnt too much different


the main point the op originaly made was that he was complaining about how he didnt feel his contribution was worth it to donate cuz he didnt have time to play

it had nothing to do with the drop rates really, they didnt have time to really do runs to get a real drop rate going
it had everything to do with the lack of time they had to play, and their complaint that its unfair because they dont have more time
SE cant give them more time, only make it easier, they DO NOT need to make it easier though, therefore, its a personal issue

Hamlet isnt even the hard part, sure its a time synch but its not like the only reward is seals, also that time synch can be shortened if done correctly. To many people are under the impression that once they get past the hamlet hurdle then its a cake walk from there. 17 min CC and AV speed runs are gonna stop a lot of people in their tracks, I predict a month or 2 from now thats gonna be one of the biggest complaints, then after that you have to do extremely hard faction leves (said to be even harder then getting 17 min AV/CC runs). then you get to look forward to extreme Ifrit and garuda. You know how many LS's can not even get past Garuda let alone Extreme Ifrit.

edit: also top 20 is not needed at all as long as you get 60K points there is a pretty decent drop rate on seals, Im not even sure if top 20 increases this at all, top 3 is the only thing for sure that increases chances because being in top 3 gets that person an extra chest to loot

I never said it was a requirement, nor did I give an actual opinion on the matter. Simply speaking in general here. I never spoke of it's difficulty either. Someone who is actually complaining about the difficulty of the quest only means that SE did something right. Relics should not just sit there waiting to be obtained by anyone. I am glad these portions of the quests are in, despite how a pain in the ass some of them are (Looking at you, Ifrit!), but it is fair and somewhat balanced for the most part.

[Krausus]

I never said it was a requirement, nor did I give an actual opinion on the matter. Simply speaking in general here. I never spoke of it's difficulty either. Someone who is actually complaining about the difficulty of the quest only means that SE did something right. Relics should not just sit there waiting to be obtained by anyone. I am glad these portions of the quests are in, despite how a pain in the ass some of them are (Looking at you, Ifrit!), but it is fair and somewhat balanced for the most part.

my point was people complaining about hamlets are in for a rude rude awakening once they get done with them. I understand some people are upset about the time synch in hamlets but to be honest if they cant get past this part then there is no way they will be able to commit the time it will take them to master 17 min speed runs, Ifrit extreme, and Garuda speed runs.

[TheVedis]

my point was people complaining about hamlets are in for a rude rude awakening once they get done with them. I understand some people are upset about the time synch in hamlets but to be honest if they cant get past this part then there is no way they will be able to commit the time it will take them to master 17 min speed runs, Ifrit extreme, and Garuda speed runs.

another thing they will not understand

my group isnt even at those stages yet, but i already know what we are in for, and its gonna take a LONG time
we have 30 people looking forward to that, and not a single one of us has any misconception about what we are looking at, or a complaint about what we are doing now or whats ahead

we understand the whole point of this quest and obtaining these items, which is something it seems alot of people in these forums lack

[Kinseykinz]

my point was people complaining about hamlets are in for a rude rude awakening once they get done with them. I understand some people are upset about the time synch in hamlets but to be honest if they cant get past this part then there is no way they will be able to commit the time it will take them to master 17 min speed runs, Ifrit extreme, and Garuda speed runs.

I like the assumption that those still grind hamlets=inexperienced players...

So yes, a 17 min. speed run is gonna be a beast. And it's gonna take practice. It WILL NOT take us 2 months of solid practice to get one dungeon done. 1-3 weeks, maybe. Same with Iffy extreme. Garuda, well some already have the clear (some don't) but again, won't take 2 months of grinding her everyday for the clear to happen.

We're not bad players...heck not even all of us aren't 'hardcore' players. We're just players with less time to grind. That's it. So yeah, we've accepted we'll never be first to get something...we're cool with that.

We're not cool with the whole, 'You all don't work hard enough' looking down on us like we're the little people in the game meant to serve you.

[TheVedis]

I like the assumption that those still grind hamlets=inexperienced players...

So yes, a 17 min. speed run is gonna be a beast. And it's gonna take practice. It WILL NOT take us 2 months of solid practice to get one dungeon done. 1-3 weeks, maybe. Same with Iffy extreme. Garuda, well some already have the clear (some don't) but again, won't take 2 months of grinding her everyday for the clear to happen.

We're not bad players...heck not even all of us aren't 'hardcore' players. We're just players with less time to grind. That's it. So yeah, we've accepted we'll never be first to get something...we're cool with that.

We're not cool with the whole, 'You all don't work hard enough' looking down on us like we're the little people in the game meant to serve you.

we arent looking down on you for not working hard enough

as i said, i play 2 days a week really with decent hours
and the other 5 days im on an hour a day maybe


what we are looking at you for is because you are throwing a fit over the drop rates and how you dont have the time.

you sound like you want special treatment or the fact you have entitlement issues, you seriously sound like thats the issue with alot of these threads

the people who agree with you, are those who dont have seals yet(obviously) because they want to try and get in on the action of wanting things easier, regardless of how its done

alot of the people who disagree have their seals, or are working on them and understand the system as it is