Fresh Start will ruin 2.0

[Soukyuu]

Honestly, I think not making new servers for new players will lead to more problems especially with how low level gear is priced atm. When you give new players completely fresh servers, they can balance them themselves.

The 100k for a lv5 weapon? oh I miss those days! haha

I still have my dated sheepskin harness.... which cost me 80k...

Why does everyone say that everyone has 40 mil?? I have 3 mil... wtf...

I don't even have that.... but I heard someone saying they're running low on gil... their definition of "low" being 30 mil lol

[Alerith]

I don't even have that.... but I heard someone saying they're running low on gil... their definition of "low" being 30 mil lol

That's disgusting...

I always have just enough on me to cover repairs, and maybe to buy a maddening potion for a major event. I almost never have more than 40k on me, let alone 40 mil. xD

(I also don't craft. I sustain myself off Broken Water leves)

[Elexia]

Why does everyone say that everyone has 40 mil?? I have 3 mil... wtf...

Pretty much everyone who played since 2010 had well into the xx million range simply because of guildleves alone, especially those who actually leveled crafts and made a killing on the new 'must have' gear, i.e cobalt etc.

[Ryuko]

I think it will be fine and the economy will even itself out no matter what.

I remember taking a long break from FFXI while inflation was really high. At some point during my break, a lot of gil was removed from the system as a large group of gilfarmers were banned. I came back to the game with 2mil (which was not much when I left) and found out that I could basically buy ANYTHING I wanted... but that didn't last long. Like a person who wins the lottery, my surplus eventually ran out... and I was back at the level of supply/demand that everyone else was.

The economy won't be broken by even a fresh start because...

People are not entirely reliant on 'buying' gear. If you are resourceful/dedicated, you can farm items yourself and have yourself or a friend synth the item. I could say, "all of the mats for this item are worth X amount of gil, so the item itself should be worth at least this much...," but that's only really applicable if I plan on putting it in the retainer system. If I farm all of the items myself (assuming the drop rate is NOT adjusted), it will still take just as much time/effort as it once did. I believe that people who buy items do so out of convenience only.

I might buy a stack of karakul rather than farming it because I'm simply too lazy to farm, for instance. New players will not have the convenience right away, and will be forced to do everything the hard way... still, a steady income from leves and their own ability to be self sufficient will mean that fluctuation of gil won't really matter that much because EVERYTHING will scale eventually... especially if it is regulated by leve/quest rewards. Remember: all gil comes from some source, and all of the gil currently in the game originally came from quest rewards or mob drops. That's it.

If one hoarder who has 100m gil saves it and then uses it when the prices on everything drop, it won't matter THAT MUCH... because while 100m seems like a lot, and it will definitely mess with the price of the item(s) that they have bought temporarily, it will STILL balance out and in the grand scheme of things, 100m is nothing compared to all of the gil on the server.

We also don't really live in a capitalist game. There are some people with capped jobs and great gear, but very rarely is a monopoly found because most of us are on the same level with the same opportunities. It's not like 'real life' where 'who you know' means everything. Sure, a successful ls will lead to killing bosses that drop good/expensive items, but it won't make you SO MUCH richer than the rest of the server. Those who are rich work to be, and if you REALLY wanted to be rich, all it takes is a little bit of research, intelligence, and patience. Anyone can get the 'best' synthed gear if they wanted to... they just need to work for it.

[Chardrizard]

Inflation can easily occur overnight.
lets say you have 30mil
And its christmas eve
RMTs sell gil for $1 per mil
Billions of stored up gil pour into the economy

Your 30mil which could have bought you some of the best gear yesterday can now buy you a single-melded upper tier bow only....

Thats what happened in ffxi and it will almost 100% happen here since there is so much gil "stored" up. The economy is only smooth now because people horde gil so that if they release something like dynamis weapons they will have tons of gil stored up.

Once there is something for them to spend it on, they (and prob ppl buying gil from rmt) will flood the current servers with massive amounts of gil which will cause prices to skyrocket.

And then if they try to "fix" those servers they will hurt the new servers in the process
UNLESS they treat servers differently, in which case there won't be any problem.

The problem arises when you try to fix inflation on 6 servers and effect the 3 non-inflated servers in the process.

This happened in FFXI and there was much less gil stored up. So it's very realistic and likely

Omg, While yes inflation does happens, the basic rules of demands and supply also applies.... materia isn't exactly as rare as damaescene cloth or damascus ingot needed to craft nor does the material needed to make mats, everything is so easy to obtain. That on top of alot of gear alternative comes from GC company and Raids, there are hardly ever reason to buy anything from AH unlike in FFXI where you need to buy everything until you can get your AFs.

Alot of gears are provided in other method and not only in crafting on various levels.

so no, your scenario doesn't work.

[Azurymber]

Omg, While yes inflation does happens, the basic rules of demands and supply also applies.... materia isn't exactly as rare as damaescene cloth or damascus ingot needed to craft nor does the material needed to make mats, everything is so easy to obtain. That on top of alot of gear alternative comes from GC company and Raids, there are hardly ever reason to buy anything from AH unlike in FFXI where you need to buy everything until you can get your AFs.

Alot of gears are provided in other method and not only in crafting on various levels.

so no, your scenario doesn't work.

either my scenario works or gil is completely and utterly useless and shouldn't matter at all in the game.

that or you don't understand what supply and demand is....

[Eremor]

/threadderail

We also don't really live in a capitalist game... Those who are rich work to be, and if you REALLY wanted to be rich, all it takes is a little bit of research, intelligence, and patience...

That's actually pretty much the definition of capitalism, just not American capitalism. I just thought this was really funny and indicative of the fact that American capitalism is as far from true capitalism as true socialism is.

/endthreadderail

[Chardrizard]

either my scenario works or gil is completely and utterly useless and shouldn't matter at all in the game.

that or you don't understand what supply and demand is....

Gil isn't completely useless, but we have so many alternatives in terms of gears that people can get away fine without gil, people with gil will still be able to improve their character with multiple melds, but people that go all the way to multi melds their character are in minority, hence the low demands.

It's difference in FFXI where alot of best gears in slot was obtained from AH because most of endgame gear wasn't available to 90% of the playerbase (Ground HNMs) and people needed something or more like expected to wear something before they obtain the other gears (Dynamis/Limbus) because AF is crap in FFXI.

[Toxsik]

For the love of god, get over the gil issue, either you worked to accumulate it or you didn't, if you didn't your loss.

[Azurymber]

Gil isn't completely useless, but we have so many alternatives in terms of gears that people can get away fine without gil, people with gil will still be able to improve their character with multiple melds, but people that go all the way to multi melds their character are in minority, hence the low demands.

It's difference in FFXI where alot of best gears in slot was obtained from AH because most of endgame gear wasn't available to 90% of the playerbase (Ground HNMs) and people needed something or more like expected to wear something before they obtain the other gears (Dynamis/Limbus) because AF is crap in FFXI.

omg...you said something smart o_o /impressed

The problem will be at patches when -everyone- wants the new gear. For a good 2-3 weeks there, if inflation occurs, only the super rich will be able to grab the new gear unless ppl farm it for themselves. New ppl will rage.

Prices will balance out over time but we already know from experience people overpay for brand new stuff. (Crafters gettin rich off cobalt and weapons and such)

I don't think anything will happen to make the game unplayable. But i do think inflation would be noticeable enough that people would complain, and SE would do something to "fix" it. And thats where the problem lies.

I guess you could say the main problem isn't the economy, but SE's inability to regulate said economy and tendency to overreact.