Fresh Start will ruin 2.0

[Azurymber]

Inflation can easily occur overnight.
lets say you have 30mil
And its christmas eve
RMTs sell gil for $1 per mil
Billions of stored up gil pour into the economy

Your 30mil which could have bought you some of the best gear yesterday can now buy you a single-melded upper tier bow only....

Thats what happened in ffxi and it will almost 100% happen here since there is so much gil "stored" up. The economy is only smooth now because people horde gil so that if they release something like dynamis weapons they will have tons of gil stored up.

Once there is something for them to spend it on, they (and prob ppl buying gil from rmt) will flood the current servers with massive amounts of gil which will cause prices to skyrocket.

And then if they try to "fix" those servers they will hurt the new servers in the process
UNLESS they treat servers differently, in which case there won't be any problem.

The problem arises when you try to fix inflation on 6 servers and effect the 3 non-inflated servers in the process.

This happened in FFXI and there was much less gil stored up. So it's very realistic and likely

[Zyph]

And then if they try to "fix" those servers they will hurt the new servers in the process

Do you not realize that the best way to fix this is to ban RMTs and revoke the gil from people who bought it from them?

[Pandastirfry]

Inflation can easily occur overnight.
lets say you have 30mil
And its christmas eve
RMTs sell gil for $1 per mil
Billions of stored up gil pour into the economy

Your 30mil which could have bought you some of the best gear yesterday can now buy you a single-melded upper tier bow only....

Thats what happened in ffxi and it will almost 100% happen here since there is so much gil "stored" up. The economy is only smooth now because people horde gil so that if they release something like dynamis weapons they will have tons of gil stored up.

Once there is something for them to spend it on, they (and prob ppl buying gil from rmt) will flood the current servers with massive amounts of gil which will cause prices to skyrocket.

And then if they try to "fix" those servers they will hurt the new servers in the process
UNLESS they treat servers differently, in which case there won't be any problem.

The problem arises when you try to fix inflation on 6 servers and effect the 3 non-inflated servers in the process.

This happened in FFXI and there was much less gil stored up. So it's very realistic and likely

What truly percipitated most of FFXI's economic woes as a result of RMT had more to do with poor design then anything else.

Because both Gil and crafting supplies were such rare commodities in XI they were far more susceptible to drastic value swing by a sudden influx of one or the other, couple that with the heavy handed over correction undertaken by both SE and the player base and you hand the massive implosions that occurred. The economy wasn't given any time to settle before people went all chicken little and reenacted the run on the banks on black tuesday.

In XIV, with both Gil and crafting supplies being not only plentiful, but much easier to acquire, they are far less suceptible to dramatic swings in value, even with a massive influx, and an attempted inflation in price, the relative ease of acquiring the commodity you want in your own will cause any period of hyperinflation to be short lived. In XIV there is no particular item that can be effectively monopolized.

You're worrying about hypotheticals, you may as well start a thread about how they should Dec.21, 2012 proof the servers or it will ruin the game because what if the Mayans were right!?

[Chardrizard]

Inflation can easily occur overnight.
lets say you have 30mil
And its christmas eve
RMTs sell gil for $1 per mil
Billions of stored up gil pour into the economy

Your 30mil which could have bought you some of the best gear yesterday can now buy you a single-melded upper tier bow only....

Thats what happened in ffxi and it will almost 100% happen here since there is so much gil "stored" up. The economy is only smooth now because people horde gil so that if they release something like dynamis weapons they will have tons of gil stored up.

Once there is something for them to spend it on, they (and prob ppl buying gil from rmt) will flood the current servers with massive amounts of gil which will cause prices to skyrocket.

And then if they try to "fix" those servers they will hurt the new servers in the process
UNLESS they treat servers differently, in which case there won't be any problem.

The problem arises when you try to fix inflation on 6 servers and effect the 3 non-inflated servers in the process.

This happened in FFXI and there was much less gil stored up. So it's very realistic and likely

Omg, While yes inflation does happens, the basic rules of demands and supply also applies.... materia isn't exactly as rare as damaescene cloth or damascus ingot needed to craft nor does the material needed to make mats, everything is so easy to obtain. That on top of alot of gear alternative comes from GC company and Raids, there are hardly ever reason to buy anything from AH unlike in FFXI where you need to buy everything until you can get your AFs.

Alot of gears are provided in other method and not only in crafting on various levels.

so no, your scenario doesn't work.

[Azurymber]

Omg, While yes inflation does happens, the basic rules of demands and supply also applies.... materia isn't exactly as rare as damaescene cloth or damascus ingot needed to craft nor does the material needed to make mats, everything is so easy to obtain. That on top of alot of gear alternative comes from GC company and Raids, there are hardly ever reason to buy anything from AH unlike in FFXI where you need to buy everything until you can get your AFs.

Alot of gears are provided in other method and not only in crafting on various levels.

so no, your scenario doesn't work.

either my scenario works or gil is completely and utterly useless and shouldn't matter at all in the game.

that or you don't understand what supply and demand is....

[Chardrizard]

either my scenario works or gil is completely and utterly useless and shouldn't matter at all in the game.

that or you don't understand what supply and demand is....

Gil isn't completely useless, but we have so many alternatives in terms of gears that people can get away fine without gil, people with gil will still be able to improve their character with multiple melds, but people that go all the way to multi melds their character are in minority, hence the low demands.

It's difference in FFXI where alot of best gears in slot was obtained from AH because most of endgame gear wasn't available to 90% of the playerbase (Ground HNMs) and people needed something or more like expected to wear something before they obtain the other gears (Dynamis/Limbus) because AF is crap in FFXI.

[Azurymber]

Gil isn't completely useless, but we have so many alternatives in terms of gears that people can get away fine without gil, people with gil will still be able to improve their character with multiple melds, but people that go all the way to multi melds their character are in minority, hence the low demands.

It's difference in FFXI where alot of best gears in slot was obtained from AH because most of endgame gear wasn't available to 90% of the playerbase (Ground HNMs) and people needed something or more like expected to wear something before they obtain the other gears (Dynamis/Limbus) because AF is crap in FFXI.

omg...you said something smart o_o /impressed

The problem will be at patches when -everyone- wants the new gear. For a good 2-3 weeks there, if inflation occurs, only the super rich will be able to grab the new gear unless ppl farm it for themselves. New ppl will rage.

Prices will balance out over time but we already know from experience people overpay for brand new stuff. (Crafters gettin rich off cobalt and weapons and such)

I don't think anything will happen to make the game unplayable. But i do think inflation would be noticeable enough that people would complain, and SE would do something to "fix" it. And thats where the problem lies.

I guess you could say the main problem isn't the economy, but SE's inability to regulate said economy and tendency to overreact.

[Zyph]

I don't think anything will happen to make the game unplayable. But i do think inflation would be noticeable enough that people would complain, and SE would do something to "fix" it. And thats where the problem lies.

That's the first thing you've said that I agree with. Also seems to be a pretty different opinion from your thread title, glad you're coming around.

The problem is not an economic one, it's a "how much SE listens to their playerbase" problem, which is the root of A LOT of other problems and general stupidity on these forums.

[Krausus]

New ppl will rage.

you keep saying that, yet no new people have been raging so far....only you.

[Zenaku]

Gil isn't completely useless, but we have so many alternatives in terms of gears that people can get away fine without gil, people with gil will still be able to improve their character with multiple melds, but people that go all the way to multi melds their character are in minority, hence the low demands.

It's difference in FFXI where alot of best gears in slot was obtained from AH because most of endgame gear wasn't available to 90% of the playerbase (Ground HNMs) and people needed something or more like expected to wear something before they obtain the other gears (Dynamis/Limbus) because AF is crap in FFXI.

You don't even need gil for that lol you can easy make cheap gear and SB and then make good gear and do multiple melds that what i been doing for over 1 week now and i can farm all the items in a matter of a few hours and make enough to try 20-30 times and if i don't get x3 melds i'm sure i have a few x2 that i can sell and make profit and keep the best one then farm again.

Money is pretty much useless for non lazy players for people who are lazy then they going to waste the most gil but everything in the game is super easy to get.