[dev 1021] [Suggestion] Please consider this SP loss system for Death

[RobotRivers]

It's a null field. No comparison. When crafters do stupid things, their penalty is losing all the materials for the craft.

So if you're ok with that, you must be ok with losing a piece of gear when you die. Afterall, that would be the most equivocal punishment.

HAHA, I find that funny and hope that you aren't being serious as losing an armor piece is like 50 times worse than mats, But my idea on losing SP on death is just that, YES it is going to be an effective PENALTY, however, there needs to be a decided rate at which how much is lost. For example, one leve quest gives you 1000 SP but you die on the second leve quest(sometimes unavoidable if the monsters appear on top of you and gang up on you) SO does this mean you lose a set amount of SP? say 300? 600? or render one complete leve's SP void? I'd like to hear an answer.

[Veasna]

I'm not for loosing SP on death, but i do rather loose SP than have to fumble with more repairs under the current system. I'm glad with the durabilty fix of one of the previous patches, i don't want something back that will change it all around again. Im thinking about npc repairs to 100% and less steep costs, player repairs give more durability on item for period of time or maybe they can invent some nice temporary buffs that are added by player repairs.

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

Ok. Again... why? What is so inherently evil and scary about losing SP compared to something else?

See, this only goes to prove that SP is really the only good discouragement to death. Everyone's willing to accept Equipment damage or gil because they know it won't mean anything, just like now.

Your whole stupid buy SP back idea is similar to getting your equipment repaired, so by your logic, it won't mean anything because people can just buy it back. With most MMOs these days don't have an EXP loss upon death, so why should XIV? Anyway I don't know why I'm arguing with you, you haven't really given me a reason why SP loss would be better other than the subjective people would play better argument. Also in this thread only two or three people agree with you and Yoshi-P doesn't want an SP penalty, so I'm just wasting my time.

[Mr_Gyactus]

Dear SE,

I beg you, open a server with exp loss.

I wanna really see WHO will choose that server and who don't. If it goes well, you can open another and another and another.
Oh, and please, open a server without exp loss/time sink/equip damage. I'll be there.

Thanks for your attention.

[DeadRiser]

Your whole stupid buy SP back idea is similar to getting your equipment repaired, so by your logic, it won't mean anything because people can just buy it back. With most MMOs these days don't have an EXP loss upon death, so why should XIV? Anyway I don't know why I'm arguing with you, you haven't really given me a reason why SP loss would be better other than the subjective people would play better argument. Also in this thread only two or three people agree with you and Yoshi-P doesn't want an SP penalty, so I'm just wasting my time.

Yes so just get the eff off this thread and quit posting because you obvioulsy didn't read the whole post

[Sonic_the_Hedgehog]

Woof woof woof

Be quiet Kaedan's dog.

[Kaedan]

Your whole stupid buy SP back idea is similar to getting your equipment repaired, so by your logic, it won't mean anything because people can just buy it back. With most MMOs these days don't have an EXP loss upon death, so why should XIV? Anyway I don't know why I'm arguing with you, you haven't really given me a reason why SP loss would be better other than the subjective people would play better argument. Also in this thread only two or three people agree with you and Yoshi-P doesn't want an SP penalty, so I'm just wasting my time.

Actually, I have. It's in the OP.

The problem here is you are making the claim that we shouldn't have SP loss. But you have failed to give even 1 reason why. How about you start at the beginning (giving reasons for why SP is a bad idea) rather than just saying, "Mommy, I don't want to eat my brocolli!"

By the way, "Other MMOs don't have xp loss" is not an argument since there are LOTS of MMOs that have xp loss.

[Kaedan]

HAHA, I find that funny and hope that you aren't being serious as losing an armor piece is like 50 times worse than mats, But my idea on losing SP on death is just that, YES it is going to be an effective PENALTY, however, there needs to be a decided rate at which how much is lost. For example, one leve quest gives you 1000 SP but you die on the second leve quest(sometimes unavoidable if the monsters appear on top of you and gang up on you) SO does this mean you lose a set amount of SP? say 300? 600? or render one complete leve's SP void? I'd like to hear an answer.

The amount of SP lost would be up to SE. I believe FFXI was a base 10% without furnature that reduced it, so that would obviously be too high. If I had to make a ballpark guess, I would say 5% loss per death. And as long as you don't die while weakened (or within a certain time period... that would be up to SE), then you can buy it back with Anima (again, my preferred method is buyback with Anima).

P.S. And no, I was not being serious about losing gear on death. But I was merely illustrating the fact that crafters DO have a penalty for failure, unlike what Akuun was trying to claim.

[Chromeo_El_Lobo]

I'll repeat what I've said before about exp/sp loss on death.

9 out of 10 times many people died in FFXI was not due to their own mistakes, but due to circumstances within parties. Bad pulls, people AFK, poorly timed abilities, etc.

People should not be punished with loss of their hard earned exp/sp because of the actions of others.

[Kaedan]

I'll repeat what I've said before about exp/sp loss on death.

9 out of 10 times many people died in FFXI was not due to their own mistakes, but due to circumstances within parties. Bad pulls, people AFK, poorly timed abilities, etc.

People should not be punished with loss of their hard earned exp/sp because of the actions of others.

It doesn't matter who's fault it is. By your reasoning, we shouldn't have any death penalty whatsoever.

There has to be some sort of discouragement to dying (even Yoshi says so)... so instead of just saying, "No! I don't want to lose anything because of someone else!"... how about explaining A) Why having the choice between losing SP and losing Anima is so bad and B) making a different suggestion?