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    Quote Originally Posted by Amsai View Post
    Wow the SE Defense Force is showing its presence today, and from BG no less......... curious. Fine you guys are so right, the game is perfect as is, nothing needs to be change. FFXIV is such perfection that there isnt even room for improvement. LOL, this is madness.
    someone points out something objectively, and you respond with straw man and ad hominem fallacies. great way to solidify the validity of your point, hoss. but in the meantime, go ahead and quote where i'm defending square enix against anything, where i've ever called it perfect, where i've ever said anything never needed to be changed. intentionally ignore all the valid criticism i've heaped against the game since launch (even today, in other threads) because it's inconvenient and undermines your feeble position. and finally, do explain what my LS has to do with my opinions... or anything whatsoever.

    i'm trying really hard not to find ways to call you stupid. so help me out by giving me reasons not to.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kowen View Post
    It's not the essential quest formula that's changed, when you break it down it's still kill X, gather Y, escort Z, etc. What makes it different is that the quests have storylines, the outcomes actually affect each other and the world can respond in different ways.

    After centaurs attacked a village (we lost the event) and broke through one of the walls, the NPCs went out and gathered materials and repaired the wall in real time, complete with voice acted dialogue. If we had driven the centaurs off, the outcome would have been completely different and likely opened up new quests. And that's just one event of hundreds all throughout the game world.

    It's that kind of thing that makes the world feel alive and dynamic. Would you HONESTLY not want to see things like that in XIV?
    if the dialogue is 'voice acted in real time', explain to me how the content is dynamic. are the voice actors sitting there in studio, drinking coffee and eating donut holes, just WAITING for the conclusion of the event so they can act it out live, just for you and a handful of other players?

    sounds more like a bunch of stuff was planned and finished ahead of time, thrown in a pot, and a random number generator pulls out those finished bits to piece together into a 'dynamic' event.

    seriously. think about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fusional View Post
    someone points out something objectively, and you respond with straw man and ad hominem fallacies. great way to solidify the validity of your point, hoss. but in the meantime, go ahead and quote where i'm defending square enix against anything, where i've ever called it perfect, where i've ever said anything never needed to be changed. intentionally ignore all the valid criticism i've heaped against the game since launch (even today, in other threads) because it's inconvenient and undermines your feeble position. and finally, do explain what my LS has to do with my opinions... or anything whatsoever.

    i'm trying really hard not to find ways to call you stupid. so help me out by giving me reasons not to.



    if the dialogue is 'voice acted in real time', explain to me how the content is dynamic. are the voice actors sitting there in studio, drinking coffee and eating donut holes, just WAITING for the conclusion of the event so they can act it out live, just for you and a handful of other players?

    sounds more like a bunch of stuff was planned and finished ahead of time, thrown in a pot, and a random number generator pulls out those finished bits to piece together into a 'dynamic' event.

    seriously. think about it.
    You try to find reason's to not call someone stupid yet it seems like you've never read the article and are blowing smoke out of a few orifices.
    These are just some of the thousands of events we've designed in Guild Wars 2, where every action taken by the players will have direct, visible, cause and effect in the game world.
    Not hundreds, thousands. Where in XIV do we have thousands of events that have direct cause and effect? We don't. I'm simply suggesting to SE that it might be a good idea to learn some things from their competitors; and yes GW2 will be a FULL competitor to XIV. Hell; maple story has more players and income I think at this point.
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    Last edited by Icehunter; 05-16-2012 at 11:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fusional View Post
    someone points out something objectively, and you respond with straw man and ad hominem fallacies. great way to solidify the validity of your point, hoss. but in the meantime, go ahead and quote where i'm defending square enix against anything, where i've ever called it perfect, where i've ever said anything never needed to be changed. intentionally ignore all the valid criticism i've heaped against the game since launch (even today, in other threads) because it's inconvenient and undermines your feeble position. and finally, do explain what my LS has to do with my opinions... or anything whatsoever.

    i'm trying really hard not to find ways to call you stupid. so help me out by giving me reasons not to.



    if the dialogue is 'voice acted in real time', explain to me how the content is dynamic. are the voice actors sitting there in studio, drinking coffee and eating donut holes, just WAITING for the conclusion of the event so they can act it out live, just for you and a handful of other players?

    sounds more like a bunch of stuff was planned and finished ahead of time, thrown in a pot, and a random number generator pulls out those finished bits to piece together into a 'dynamic' event.

    seriously. think about it.
    Seriously, who here is acting like a fool. And look who is being ridiculous now. Your criticism is not valid at all. You somehow arent getting it, and I'm having a hard time understanding why you have such a negative opinion of it. Did you not like Campaign in FFXI? If you didnt then to each there own, but I liked it better than some endgame in FFXI. I do apologize for lumping you in with the SEDF, but why are you so against it? What is your investment in this argument? What are you trying to prove other than that you obviously think the idea is bad or not different? So far the arguments you have presented seem thin to me, like you are trying to really reach to make it sound bad, or that you want it to fail for the sake of your own satisfaction. All I see is either people doing the typical SEDF bullsh*t, or in your case Fusional maybe you just like to cause trouble? All I want is fun frivolus things added to FFXIV. Never mind what or how those are implemented. Answer truthfully please Fusional, can you at least agree that these type of things are needed?
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