New Player Etiquette

[TBerry]

It's not threatening it's just the consequences of actions for purposefully griefing another player. If 3/4 people want to get the dungeon over quickly and are not fussed about dps pulling, the tank can keep up or he can pout in the corner. If he won't play then just report and move on.

If a tank is in endwalker without a clue how to tank a dungeon, that's on them and I frankly don't care if they stress over the dps running ahead and pulling. Don't queue for a high level duty if you have zero clue how to play, the trust system is there for that reason. You don't get to tell three other people what to do because you're incompetent.

Yes, this was mentioned for the last 50 pages, but I doubt it matters, because you'll do it anyways.
On Chaos you get kicked for disruptive gameplay, because it's dungeon etiquette to let the tank pull. 3/4 also don't make a fuss if the run doesn't go smooth. They get through, get over it and move on.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Yes, this was mentioned for the last 50 pages, but I doubt it matters, because you'll do it anyways.
On Chaos you get kicked for disruptive gameplay, because it's dungeon etiquette to let the tank pull. 3/4 also don't make a fuss if the run doesn't go smooth. They get through, get over it and move on.

If a group kicks a dps for pulling ahead I would just report for abuse of the kick, as that is not any of the listed reasons to kick a party member and is another thing against ToS lmao.

What you consider etiquette doesn't matter in ToS, nowhere in it does it say tank is the only one allowed to pull lol. It's not griefing to pull some mobs and bring them back to the tank. If the tank refuses their job then they get a deserved report for lethargic or afk play. A group member doing their best to make a fast, smooth, run is not a problem. A bad tank can easily make a dungeon take twice the time and people with only a couple hours a day to play would rather not be stuck with an incompetent stubborn snail. If running and grabbing two packs of mobs and pressing a couple mits is too much for a person they should rethink playing a tank, or a multiplayer game at all. I care more about respecting other peoples time. And knowing how to play your job to a basic level is exactly that. The game gave plenty chances to learn by Endwalker. Not knowing is just willfully ignorant and doesn't deserve to be tolerated.

[TBerry]

If a group kicks a dps for pulling ahead I would just report for abuse of the kick, as that is not any of the listed reasons to kick a party member and is another thing against ToS lmao.

What you consider etiquette doesn't matter in ToS, nowhere in it does it say tank is the only one allowed to pull lol. It's not griefing to pull some mobs and bring them back to the tank. If the tank refuses their job then they get a deserved report for lethargic or afk play. A group member doing their best to make a fast, smooth, run is not a problem. A bad tank can easily make a dungeon take twice the time and people with only a couple hours a day to play would rather not be stuck with an incompetent stubborn snail. If running and grabbing two packs of mobs and pressing a couple mits is too much for a person they should rethink playing a tank, or a multiplayer game at all. I care more about respecting other peoples time. And knowing how to play your job to a basic level is exactly that. The game gave plenty chances to learn by Endwalker. Not knowing is just willfully ignorant and doesn't deserve to be tolerated.

What you consider standard in the dungeon doesn't matter in the ToS, nowhere does it say the DPS should pull. Being bad is not against the ToS.
So what about Shirk?
Regardless, you do it either way to the detriment of any player you play with regardless of dungeon or whether the tank is a sprout, so "bad tank and lvl 85+ dungeon" excuse doesn't hold up because even if they were good you you'd just rush ahead.

I have to yet experience a dungeon run where the tank pulling wall-to-wall isn't fast enough to require a DPS abusing the gap closer and range. Usually the dungeons are fast.
And if it's not get over it.
It's not every run.

[MikeCake]

Just because you wouldn't doesn't mean others wont. This discussion has been had before and it's literally in ToS. If you purposefully don't play to let them die it's reportable like it or not lol
Whether you think they brought it on themselves or not is irrelevant.

Theres a big difference here, its not "not playing" if a DPS kills themselves, thats on them, they couldn't wait for the tank to pull ahead, that being said if a tank didn't want to pull more and they pulled more and died, that is still on them, they are disrupting their own duty. GM will take consideration of all the players involved, not just the one rushing ahead.

It's not threatening it's just the consequences of actions for purposefully griefing another player. If 3/4 people want to get the dungeon over quickly and are not fussed about dps pulling, the tank can keep up or he can pout in the corner. If he won't play then just report and move on.

If a tank is in endwalker without a clue how to tank a dungeon, that's on them and I frankly don't care if they stress over the dps running ahead and pulling. Don't queue for a high level duty if you have zero clue how to play, the trust system is there for that reason. You don't get to tell three other people what to do because you're incompetent.

A DPS pulling on a pack ahead and killing themselves is a grief, by same logic they could banned for causing disruption in a duty, if they are gonna pull, bring it back to tank, its that easy.

[TBerry]

Theres a big difference here, its not "not playing" if a DPS kills themselves, thats on them, they couldn't wait for the tank to pull ahead, that being said if a tank didn't want to pull more and they pulled more and died, that is still on them, they are disrupting they own duty. GM will take consideration of all the players involved, not just the one rushing ahead.


A DPS pulling on a pack ahead and killing themselves is a grief, by same logic they could banned for causing disruption in a duty, if they are gonna pull, bring it back to tank, its that easy.

Yes, it goes both ways.

[BlisteringFrost]

If a group kicks a dps for pulling ahead I would just report for abuse of the kick, as that is not any of the listed reasons to kick a party member and is another thing against ToS lmao.

What you consider etiquette doesn't matter in ToS, nowhere in it does it say tank is the only one allowed to pull lol. It's not griefing to pull some mobs and bring them back to the tank. If the tank refuses their job then they get a deserved report for lethargic or afk play. A group member doing their best to make a fast, smooth, run is not a problem. A bad tank can easily make a dungeon take twice the time and people with only a couple hours a day to play would rather not be stuck with an incompetent stubborn snail. If running and grabbing two packs of mobs and pressing a couple mits is too much for a person they should rethink playing a tank, or a multiplayer game at all. I care more about respecting other peoples time. And knowing how to play your job to a basic level is exactly that. The game gave plenty chances to learn by Endwalker. Not knowing is just willfully ignorant and doesn't deserve to be tolerated.

They're not going to tell you why you're kicked, you're just going to be kicked.

Erego, the burden of proving intent is on you, and there is no proof of any intent besides wanting you gone. Meaning they won't do anything about it.

[Kohashi]

If a group kicks a dps for pulling ahead I would just report for abuse of the kick, as that is not any of the listed reasons to kick a party member and is another thing against ToS lmao.

What you consider etiquette doesn't matter in ToS, nowhere in it does it say tank is the only one allowed to pull lol. It's not griefing to pull some mobs and bring them back to the tank. If the tank refuses their job then they get a deserved report for lethargic or afk play. A group member doing their best to make a fast, smooth, run is not a problem. A bad tank can easily make a dungeon take twice the time and people with only a couple hours a day to play would rather not be stuck with an incompetent stubborn snail. If running and grabbing two packs of mobs and pressing a couple mits is too much for a person they should rethink playing a tank, or a multiplayer game at all. I care more about respecting other peoples time. And knowing how to play your job to a basic level is exactly that. The game gave plenty chances to learn by Endwalker. Not knowing is just willfully ignorant and doesn't deserve to be tolerated.

I have to say it's very rare for DPS to run ahead and get mobs, at least on Light. More often than not, people are very patient with the tanks unless they are mega slow.

I said this before and I will say it again. If you want to pull, que as tank.

[BlisteringFrost]

I have to say it's very rare for DPS to run ahead and get mobs, at least on Light. More often than not, people are very patient with the tanks unless they are mega slow.

I said this before and I will say it again. If you want to pull, que as tank.

They have an actual etiquette guide sitting around somewhere. And it specifically outlines Tanks job is to dictate the pace of the dungeon.

So a DPS running ahead of the Tank is verifiably breaking the TOS.

[MikeCake]

Attacking someone for doing something different from what you or others may feel is the norm. For example, when running Alliance Raids, or playing PvP content, it is prohibited to make statements such as "why aren't you doing [specific thing]? Everyone knows that's how you do this!" If a report has been filed and the prohibited activity is confirmed, a penalty will be issued.

* There is nothing wrong with providing suggestions that the player community typically follows, but this can only be presented in the form of a "suggestion" and cannot be in the form of a demand. If said player's actions are interfering with the gameplay of others, then a penalty can be issued once a report is filed and confirmed; however, even in this type of situation, if said player is also being attacked verbally, the penalty can be issued to both players.

and the one specifically including "big pulls"

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It is prohibited to make statements such as:
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"Big pulls are normal here, so do it!"
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Under Nuisance Behavior, first keypoint.

[Kohashi]

They have an actual etiquette guide sitting around somewhere. And it specifically outlines Tanks job is to dictate the pace of the dungeon.

So a DPS running ahead of the Tank is verifiably breaking the TOS.

I think it's the least courtesy you can show in a dungeon. Be mindful of other players and that you are not the only one there. Everyone should do their respective jobs/ roles to the best of their ability.