New Player Etiquette

[Nyastra]

Yes, that's what I mean.
It baffles me that not being OPTIMAL ALL THE TIME is such a big no-no.

Because half the player base lives this game more than they do real life, I too would like to not have spent 30 minutes in the latest Trial, but alas, I did. And my life wasn't all that much different. If the game isn't fun then stop playing? Why does this have to be a second job? I don't get it. So stupid. I had so many patient people that guided me when I started, who allowed me to learn and make mistakes, what happened to that? Now it's just how dare you not know how to play the game OPTIMALLY from day 1.

And I get it, my game time is limited because of my IRL obligations, I'm lucky if I get two hours of game time a night. But I'm not taking away the learning experience from someone else just because I have ants and can't wait 5 extra minutes.

[TBerry]

Because half the player base lives this game more than they do real life, I too would like to not have spent 30 minutes in the latest Trial, but alas, I did. And my life wasn't all that much different. If the game isn't fun then stop playing? Why does this have to be a second job? I don't get it. So stupid. I had so many patient people that guided me when I started, who allowed me to learn and make mistakes, what happened to that? Now it's just how dare you not know how to play the game OPTIMALLY from day 1.

And I get it, my game time is limited because of my IRL obligations, I'm lucky if I get two hours of game time a night. But I'm not taking away the learning experience from someone else just because I have ants and can't wait 5 extra minutes.

30 minutes sucks. But, like, you have good days and bad days.
You are glad it's over, and you move on. Sometimes playing with randos sucks, sometimes it's great.

I did Badam's Meddle the other day. The tank had to pull small because undergeared. Healer said it's fine, Tank sets the pace. We had a smooth run nonetheless, except failing at the 2nd trial on the second boss because we collectively derped.

[Asari5]

as easier soemthing gets as more do people expect others to play optimally.

its a result of monotone dungeon design, limited pulls, easy rotations, non existent aggro management and an over the top accessibility to heals and mitigations.

not saying this is good or bad but its just how quite a few humans are

[BlisteringFrost]

Nope. Never going to understand the mindset of speed running everything.

Dawg. You're playing a video game. And a video game that isn't even built with it in mind as a thing. Like Metroid, or Hollow Knight. Why even play if your goal is to stop doing anything as soon as possible? You're literally playing a video game to waste your time. Crying "my time is wasted if I don't do this faster!" is like putting clown make up on yourself and saying you're the God Emperor of Humanity.

If I wanna speed run I'ma just boot up Metroid Dread. Or git gud at Hollow Knight so I can speed-run that. I'm not on an MMO to put it back down as fast as possible, I'm there to chew the fat.

[Yeonhee]

Nope. Never going to understand the mindset of speed running everything.

Dawg. You're playing a video game. And a video game that isn't even built with it in mind as a thing. Like Metroid, or Hollow Knight. Why even play if your goal is to stop doing anything as soon as possible? You're literally playing a video game to waste your time. Crying "my time is wasted if I don't do this faster!" is like putting clown make up on yourself and saying you're the God Emperor of Humanity.

If I wanna speed run I'ma just boot up Metroid Dread. Or git gud at Hollow Knight so I can speed-run that. I'm not on an MMO to put it back down as fast as possible, I'm there to chew the fat.

That's a pretty garbage take, ngl. When you do the same dungeon for the 150th time, of course you want to get it done as fast as possible. If at 7.4, devs put up a dungeon where you have to battle groups of mobs for a whole hour before gaining access to the last boss, I'm pretty sure you - and pretty much everyone - won't like that. Yet you're playing a videogame to waste time, isn't it ? Why would you complain ?

[BlisteringFrost]

That's a pretty garbage take, ngl. When you do the same dungeon for the 150th time, of course you want to get it done as fast as possible. If at 7.4, devs put up a dungeon where you have to battle groups of mobs for a whole hour before gaining access to the last boss, I'm pretty sure you - and pretty much everyone - won't like that. Yet you're playing a videogame to waste time, isn't it ? Why would you complain ?

I just tune it out. If I don't wanna do Alliance Roulette. Then I choose to not do it.

It's not that deep.

[Yeonhee]

I just tune it out. If I don't wanna do Alliance Roulette. Then I choose to not do it.

It's not that deep.

Blocking yourself to the most profitable roulette because devs decided to do something stupid isn't really the answer here. Nonetheless, dungeons are designed to be speedrunned. SE gave up a while ago about making dungeon actually different and "kinda" interesting. 95% dungeons after ARR are pretty much two groups of mobs > wall > two groups of mobs > wall > boss x3. Even the bosses mechanics go from laughable to non-existant (Hello Endwalker). You cannot really blame players for wanting to get it done fast when even the devs gave up on dungeons and design them to be speedrunned.

[BlisteringFrost]

Blocking yourself to the most profitable roulette because devs decided to do something stupid isn't really the answer here. Nonetheless, dungeons are designed to be speedrunned. SE gave up a while ago about making dungeon actually different and "kinda" interesting. 95% dungeons after ARR are pretty much two groups of mobs > wall > two groups of mobs > wall > boss x3. Even the bosses mechanics go from laughable to non-existant (Hello Endwalker). You cannot really blame players for wanting to get it done fast when even the devs gave up on dungeons and design them to be speedrunned.

It's not blocking myself. That assumes I'm never going to touch it again. I just don't wanna touch it today (for example). So I won't do it.

If I don't wanna play FFXIV I won't login. This shouldn't be a foreign concept lol. Calling the content "most profitable" and insisting you get it done as fast as possible means you've gas lit yourself into treating the game as a job. Most likely without even realizing it. Why work a job you're not getting paid for? That's just silly.

[VeyaAkemi]

About "speedrunning everything", I actually find doing things in an efficient and expedient manner is fun in itself, I actually love the 2nd boss from Meso specifically because of this, you are, intentionally or not, racing the other players, and I feel good about myself when I kill my Warden first.

Honestly "if the game isn't built for speed, you shouldn't try to speed it" is sincerely a very pathetic take, and incredibly limiting to what games can be as an experience.

[Absurdity]

Honestly "if the game isn't built for speed, you shouldn't try to speed it" is sincerely a very pathetic take, and incredibly limiting to what games can be as an experience.

I'd also argue it is built for speed, just in a very restricted way because the devs are incredibly heavy handed with how they want you to do things.
The ultimate factor to beat in even the highest content is the enrage timer, be too slow in killing the boss and no matter how well you do mechanics you will still die.

Now why do we actually do wall-to-wall pulls? Yeah sure, it's because it makes the dungeon go faster. But why?
A quick look at our AoE skills shows that at a certain amount of enemies (this can vary from job to job and ability to ability) they significantly outscale the potency of our single-target skills.
And since you can only execute 1 Weaponskill/Spell per 2.5 seconds (baseline) and 1 oGCD per 0.6 seconds you obviously want to pick the strongest skill at every opportunity. If my only options are "do less damage" or "do more damage" why would I purposely choose the worse option?

Dungeons in this game are so basic that navigation isn't a factor, survival might as well not be one, neither is synergy between enemies, the only remaining factor is the time limit.
Now because this is content that is supposed to be beaten by everyone the timer is extremely generous, but the principle is pretty much the same, you want to do as much damage as possible every 2.5 seconds to ensure you beat it, since enemies need to die for you to progress.
Which logically leads to pulling as much as you can to make your AoE skills deal their maximum potency and ultimately make things die faster than they ever could by just doing single-target attacks.

If we reduced the dungeon timer from 90 minutes down to 15 minutes it would immediately go from "speedrunning" to "that's just what you do to beat the dungeon", and that's pretty much how all battle content functions the further you move up.