New Player Etiquette

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Yes, this was mentioned for the last 50 pages, but I doubt it matters, because you'll do it anyways.
On Chaos you get kicked for disruptive gameplay, because it's dungeon etiquette to let the tank pull. 3/4 also don't make a fuss if the run doesn't go smooth. They get through, get over it and move on.

If a group kicks a dps for pulling ahead I would just report for abuse of the kick, as that is not any of the listed reasons to kick a party member and is another thing against ToS lmao.

What you consider etiquette doesn't matter in ToS, nowhere in it does it say tank is the only one allowed to pull lol. It's not griefing to pull some mobs and bring them back to the tank. If the tank refuses their job then they get a deserved report for lethargic or afk play. A group member doing their best to make a fast, smooth, run is not a problem. A bad tank can easily make a dungeon take twice the time and people with only a couple hours a day to play would rather not be stuck with an incompetent stubborn snail. If running and grabbing two packs of mobs and pressing a couple mits is too much for a person they should rethink playing a tank, or a multiplayer game at all. I care more about respecting other peoples time. And knowing how to play your job to a basic level is exactly that. The game gave plenty chances to learn by Endwalker. Not knowing is just willfully ignorant and doesn't deserve to be tolerated.

[TBerry]

If a group kicks a dps for pulling ahead I would just report for abuse of the kick, as that is not any of the listed reasons to kick a party member and is another thing against ToS lmao.

What you consider etiquette doesn't matter in ToS, nowhere in it does it say tank is the only one allowed to pull lol. It's not griefing to pull some mobs and bring them back to the tank. If the tank refuses their job then they get a deserved report for lethargic or afk play. A group member doing their best to make a fast, smooth, run is not a problem. A bad tank can easily make a dungeon take twice the time and people with only a couple hours a day to play would rather not be stuck with an incompetent stubborn snail. If running and grabbing two packs of mobs and pressing a couple mits is too much for a person they should rethink playing a tank, or a multiplayer game at all. I care more about respecting other peoples time. And knowing how to play your job to a basic level is exactly that. The game gave plenty chances to learn by Endwalker. Not knowing is just willfully ignorant and doesn't deserve to be tolerated.

What you consider standard in the dungeon doesn't matter in the ToS, nowhere does it say the DPS should pull. Being bad is not against the ToS.
So what about Shirk?
Regardless, you do it either way to the detriment of any player you play with regardless of dungeon or whether the tank is a sprout, so "bad tank and lvl 85+ dungeon" excuse doesn't hold up because even if they were good you you'd just rush ahead.

I have to yet experience a dungeon run where the tank pulling wall-to-wall isn't fast enough to require a DPS abusing the gap closer and range. Usually the dungeons are fast.
And if it's not get over it.
It's not every run.

[BlisteringFrost]

If a group kicks a dps for pulling ahead I would just report for abuse of the kick, as that is not any of the listed reasons to kick a party member and is another thing against ToS lmao.

What you consider etiquette doesn't matter in ToS, nowhere in it does it say tank is the only one allowed to pull lol. It's not griefing to pull some mobs and bring them back to the tank. If the tank refuses their job then they get a deserved report for lethargic or afk play. A group member doing their best to make a fast, smooth, run is not a problem. A bad tank can easily make a dungeon take twice the time and people with only a couple hours a day to play would rather not be stuck with an incompetent stubborn snail. If running and grabbing two packs of mobs and pressing a couple mits is too much for a person they should rethink playing a tank, or a multiplayer game at all. I care more about respecting other peoples time. And knowing how to play your job to a basic level is exactly that. The game gave plenty chances to learn by Endwalker. Not knowing is just willfully ignorant and doesn't deserve to be tolerated.

They're not going to tell you why you're kicked, you're just going to be kicked.

Erego, the burden of proving intent is on you, and there is no proof of any intent besides wanting you gone. Meaning they won't do anything about it.

[Kohashi]

If a group kicks a dps for pulling ahead I would just report for abuse of the kick, as that is not any of the listed reasons to kick a party member and is another thing against ToS lmao.

What you consider etiquette doesn't matter in ToS, nowhere in it does it say tank is the only one allowed to pull lol. It's not griefing to pull some mobs and bring them back to the tank. If the tank refuses their job then they get a deserved report for lethargic or afk play. A group member doing their best to make a fast, smooth, run is not a problem. A bad tank can easily make a dungeon take twice the time and people with only a couple hours a day to play would rather not be stuck with an incompetent stubborn snail. If running and grabbing two packs of mobs and pressing a couple mits is too much for a person they should rethink playing a tank, or a multiplayer game at all. I care more about respecting other peoples time. And knowing how to play your job to a basic level is exactly that. The game gave plenty chances to learn by Endwalker. Not knowing is just willfully ignorant and doesn't deserve to be tolerated.

I have to say it's very rare for DPS to run ahead and get mobs, at least on Light. More often than not, people are very patient with the tanks unless they are mega slow.

I said this before and I will say it again. If you want to pull, que as tank.

[BlisteringFrost]

I have to say it's very rare for DPS to run ahead and get mobs, at least on Light. More often than not, people are very patient with the tanks unless they are mega slow.

I said this before and I will say it again. If you want to pull, que as tank.

They have an actual etiquette guide sitting around somewhere. And it specifically outlines Tanks job is to dictate the pace of the dungeon.

So a DPS running ahead of the Tank is verifiably breaking the TOS.

[Kohashi]

They have an actual etiquette guide sitting around somewhere. And it specifically outlines Tanks job is to dictate the pace of the dungeon.

So a DPS running ahead of the Tank is verifiably breaking the TOS.

I think it's the least courtesy you can show in a dungeon. Be mindful of other players and that you are not the only one there. Everyone should do their respective jobs/ roles to the best of their ability.

[BlisteringFrost]

I think it's the least courtesy you can show in a dungeon. Be mindful of other players and that you are not the only one there. Everyone should do their respective jobs/ roles to the best of their ability.

I just stand my ground and if they die running back to me with more stuff than I pulled, then that's their fault for playing like that. Say nothing. Can't prove intent that doesn't exist, after all.

[Kohashi]

I just stand my ground and if they die running back to me with more stuff than I pulled, then that's their fault for playing like that. Say nothing. Can't prove intent that doesn't exist, after all.

Let me spell it for you because apparently the point was missed. EVERY single player should do their job, tank to pull, dps to dps, and be mindful of the pace. The tank should not be a snail, and the DPS shouldn't pull ahead. Everyone should cooperate and work towards clearing the dungeon at a reasonable pace and with as little friction as possible.

In even simpler terms, to be a decent human being.

[BlisteringFrost]

Let me spell it for you because apparently the point was missed. EVERY single player should do their job, tank to pull, dps to dps, and be mindful of the pace. The tank should not be a snail, and the DPS shouldn't pull ahead. Everyone should cooperate and work towards clearing the dungeon at a reasonable pace and with as little friction as possible.

In even simpler terms, to be a decent human being.

Nah, just respect the tank and let them pull at their pace. Hydaelyn forbid you take 1 extra minute to clear the dungeon! Wouldn't wanna.... waste time, playing a video game after all.

[Elephantality]

I think it's the least courtesy you can show in a dungeon. Be mindful of other players and that you are not the only one there. Everyone should do their respective jobs/ roles to the best of their ability.

True, but I will be waiting on a healer's mana, things like that. I do agree with working as a team.