New Player Etiquette

[Nyastra]

Had this situation yesterday, tank was 50+ and single pack pulling (I forgot which duty). I’m guessing they were newer to tanking? They were not using mits very well and got caught by mechanics. Was it annoying? Yeah. But I qued into leveling so I just sucked it up and did as much dmg as I could. Tank did start to pull more at the end, so yay for them.

What would prolly help the group, is if the tank gave a quick heads up at the start. Something like ‘hey first run of the day, need to warm up’ or ‘haven’t tanked in a while, need to remember the flow’. Just something to set the expectation. Could be difficult if they play with a controller to type all that, but slow tanks shouldn’t see others leaving as their fault, there are plenty of DPS willing to go slower for a clear.

New/learning tanks can always try and make friends with a healer to run too. Let them have the confidence to try bigger pulls and the room to mess up, knowing their healer pal has their back.

Being so for real right now, I'd rather have single pulls, than W2W that just results in death 4 times over. But you are not wrong, communication goes a long way. Just sometimes even as an experienced player I genuinely do not know what to say to these people without coming across as nitpicky or a-hole. On main I genuinely shut my mouth until asked, because I know the reputation Mentors have. On my alt, which is a "Sprout" I'm like um... How do I say this nicely, I've resorted to just shutting up but when you're sitting in the room with the newbie who is getting frustrated, I dunno.

[SkoNay]

Being so for real right now, I'd rather have single pulls, than W2W that just results in death 4 times over. But you are not wrong, communication goes a long way. Just sometimes even as an experienced player I genuinely do not know what to say to these people without coming across as nitpicky or a-hole. On main I genuinely shut my mouth until asked, because I know the reputation Mentors have. On my alt, which is a "Sprout" I'm like um... How do I say this nicely, I've resorted to just shutting up but when you're sitting in the room with the newbie who is getting frustrated, I dunno.

That’s tough when they are right there with you, you can see the frustration first hand. Yeah Im always unsure if people want advice or help, or if they enjoy figuring it out on their own.. so I just try and be polite and positive, offering help if we wipe. No idea if my play times line up with you guys, but I’d be happy to help out if I can! Feel free to reach out in game Sko Nay-Famfrit or disc mags2663. New tanks are a lovely and welcome addition!

[BlisteringFrost]

First thing I learned as a mentor: Never help anyone unless they ask for it. Because they can just as likely be offended by unrequested help being offered.

I can't know what you do, and do not know, unless you tell me.

[SkoNay]

First thing I learned as a mentor: Never help anyone unless they ask for it. Because they can just as likely be offended by unrequested help being offered.

I can't know what you do, and do not know, unless you tell me.

Do you ever run into situations where random players will reach out for help/questions? When I have questions I usually just go right to a friend of FC mate.

[BlisteringFrost]

Do you ever run into situations where random players will reach out for help/questions? When I have questions I usually just go right to a friend of FC mate.

Not common. But yeah. Had one a few weeks ago where someone started DM'ing me about my Ultimate weapon I had glammed on. They had other questions too, so I answered 'em.

[Nyastra]

Not common. But yeah. Had one a few weeks ago where someone started DM'ing me about my Ultimate weapon I had glammed on. They had other questions too, so I answered 'em.

Yeah it doesn't happen very often but on a rare occasion someone asks, but I think it's more a case like above - about glamour or if you just happen to be the person around to answer said question. I tend to not give unsolicited advices anyway because y'know. That's just how it be.

[TaleraRistain]

If the dps is grabbing mobs and running off to Narnia, bye, have fun, rez you when I get there if I'm on healer, AoE them off you when I get there if I'm on tank.

#1 rule of pulling as a dps is bring the mobs back. I grab everything when I tank but if I'm already running and a reaper zots ahead and grabs a second pack and runs them out of gap closer/AoE/provoke range, not a lot that can be done there. I don't chase dps who run off as a healer.

When I'm healing or dpsing, I do not care if the tank pulls small. I encourage them if I'm healing them that I have their back if they want to try more, but it's a dungeon. It'll be over in 15m. It's not worth arguing about.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

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You mean to tell me a wow vet cant cope with doing wall to wall pulls in an endwalker dungeon? If your friend tanked in wow, he should have no issue at all with ffxiv tanking. What have you been doing with him the whole time? How did you completely fail to teach your friend the VERY EASY tanking rules, hell how did he fail to read his own tooltips as he levelled and put 2 and 2 together? When I was a sprout I was pulling everything after my first few dungeons got me comfy tanking. Mid endwalker is potentially well over 100 hours playtime and he can't pull double packs? You have completely failed as a mentor. People are justified in being a bit irked at the slow pace from the tank in late game content. In the end I still follow the rule of, if I queue with randoms I accept I might get players that don't have much of a clue. So I will just keep pace. But what annoys me more is when someone offers advice and some white knight moron goes, "BE QUIET HE'S NEW!". Treating sprouts like idiots incapable of taking in basic information. And it's how we see players in endwalker and beyond that have no clue how to play, because people coddle them and make them feel justified in playing like crap.

Sure, then the tank can also let you die as dps since everyone is free to do whatever the F they want. How is that helping anyone, I wonder.

As for the topic, I am very lenient; however, if you are 85+ and you still haven't figured out that you should be using 2 mits/ pull, then we will have a discussion.

That's lethargic play and reportable. Leaving an instance not so much.

[MikeCake]

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That's lethargic play and reportable. Leaving an instance not so much.

It's not a lethargic play if the DPS brought it on themselves, nobody is gonna report for a wipe on ads.