New Player Etiquette

[Kohashi]

Respectfully, everybody is entitled to do with their limited lifetime what they want. If you want to play really slow - ok, you can do that. But other people can also decide they don't want to participate in that and click the "Leave" button.

Sure, then the tank can also let you die as dps since everyone is free to do whatever the F they want. How is that helping anyone, I wonder.

As for the topic, I am very lenient; however, if you are 85+ and you still haven't figured out that you should be using 2 mits/ pull, then we will have a discussion.

[TaleraRistain]

If the dps is grabbing mobs and running off to Narnia, bye, have fun, rez you when I get there if I'm on healer, AoE them off you when I get there if I'm on tank.

#1 rule of pulling as a dps is bring the mobs back. I grab everything when I tank but if I'm already running and a reaper zots ahead and grabs a second pack and runs them out of gap closer/AoE/provoke range, not a lot that can be done there. I don't chase dps who run off as a healer.

When I'm healing or dpsing, I do not care if the tank pulls small. I encourage them if I'm healing them that I have their back if they want to try more, but it's a dungeon. It'll be over in 15m. It's not worth arguing about.

[TBerry]

Sure, then the tank can also let you die as dps since everyone is free to do whatever the F they want. How is that helping anyone, I wonder.

As for the topic, I am very lenient; however, if you are 85+ and you still haven't figured out that you should be using 2 mits/ pull, then we will have a discussion.

Oh no, you see that doesn't apply to tanks because then they don't get what they want.

It's just toxic individualism and them seeing other people as data. Empathy or even the slightest form of actual etiquette is a slur to them, while having the patience of a wooden rubber band and are in need of instant gratification.
It's all just ME ME ME!

[Kohashi]

Oh no, you see that doesn't apply to tanks because then they don't get what they want.

It's just toxic individualism and them seeing other people as data. Empathy or even the slightest form of actual etiquette is a slur to them, while having the patience of a wooden rubber band and are in need of instant gratification.
It's all just ME ME ME!

what do you mean? Please make it make sense.

Also nobody forced you to que as DPS, you want to dictate the pace of the dungeon, you are free to que as Tank. K bye!

[Aelin_Ashryver]

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You mean to tell me a wow vet cant cope with doing wall to wall pulls in an endwalker dungeon? If your friend tanked in wow, he should have no issue at all with ffxiv tanking. What have you been doing with him the whole time? How did you completely fail to teach your friend the VERY EASY tanking rules, hell how did he fail to read his own tooltips as he levelled and put 2 and 2 together? When I was a sprout I was pulling everything after my first few dungeons got me comfy tanking. Mid endwalker is potentially well over 100 hours playtime and he can't pull double packs? You have completely failed as a mentor. People are justified in being a bit irked at the slow pace from the tank in late game content. In the end I still follow the rule of, if I queue with randoms I accept I might get players that don't have much of a clue. So I will just keep pace. But what annoys me more is when someone offers advice and some white knight moron goes, "BE QUIET HE'S NEW!". Treating sprouts like idiots incapable of taking in basic information. And it's how we see players in endwalker and beyond that have no clue how to play, because people coddle them and make them feel justified in playing like crap.

Sure, then the tank can also let you die as dps since everyone is free to do whatever the F they want. How is that helping anyone, I wonder.

As for the topic, I am very lenient; however, if you are 85+ and you still haven't figured out that you should be using 2 mits/ pull, then we will have a discussion.

That's lethargic play and reportable. Leaving an instance not so much.

[MikeCake]

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That's lethargic play and reportable. Leaving an instance not so much.

It's not a lethargic play if the DPS brought it on themselves, nobody is gonna report for a wipe on ads.

[BlisteringFrost]

If you can't use a cooldown or how to walk away from a yellow circle on the floor at level 90+ you need help. That help is not going to come from me.

I am not going to spend my time to explain it. You had that opportunity 30 or 40 levels ago when you started getting proper cooldowns to use.

[TBerry]

what do you mean? Please make it make sense.

Also nobody forced you to que as DPS, you want to dictate the pace of the dungeon, you are free to que as Tank. K bye!

What I'm saying is "Rules for thee, but not for me".
They wil force you into their playstyle regardless of level of party and just rush forward without even giving the tank a chance, but cry the second they die even if it wasn't the tank's fault.

It's not a lethargic play if the DPS brought it on themselves, nobody is gonna report for a wipe on ads.

What this really is is coercion by threatening to report someone if they don't do as the DPS/healer wants..

[Aelin_Ashryver]

It's not a lethargic play if the DPS brought it on themselves, nobody is gonna report for a wipe on ads.

Just because you wouldn't doesn't mean others wont. This discussion has been had before and it's literally in ToS. If you purposefully don't play to let them die it's reportable like it or not lol
Whether you think they brought it on themselves or not is irrelevant.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

What I'm saying is "Rules for thee, but not for me".
They wil force you into their playstyle regardless of level of party and just rush forward without even giving the tank a chance, but cry the second they die even if it wasn't the tank's fault.




What this really is is coercion by threatening to report someone if they don't do as the DPS/healer wants..

It's not threatening it's just the consequences of actions for purposefully griefing another player. If 3/4 people want to get the dungeon over quickly and are not fussed about dps pulling, the tank can keep up or he can pout in the corner. If he won't play then just report and move on.

If a tank is in endwalker without a clue how to tank a dungeon, that's on them and I frankly don't care if they stress over the dps running ahead and pulling. Don't queue for a high level duty if you have zero clue how to play, the trust system is there for that reason. You don't get to tell three other people what to do because you're incompetent.