New Player Etiquette

[VeyaAkemi]

Stone Vigil is an amusing example to use, like not in a smug way "Oh you are so wrong", but like I think this is a genuinely interesting quirk of it, the most optimal way to clear it is to do the first two pulls wtw, not because it is the best way to kill enemies, it is but for this method you aren't going to kill enemies, but because you can abuse a quirk of the game regarding boss rooms, whenever a boss is as much as tagged, this enables the shortcut at the start of the dungeon, so the idea is to run in, tag the boss while planning to die, and then, well, just wipe, then respawn and take the TP to the boss.

This can be done in the first two bosses, though not the third because there is a gate that requires mobs to be killed to get the key, but this can also be done in any dungeon where there is no barrier between the pulls and the boss, think the first room of Aurum Vale is too hard? just ignore it, smack the boss and accept your fate, a little death never killed anyone!

[Nyastra]

Stone Vigil is an amusing example to use, like not in a smug way "Oh you are so wrong", but like I think this is a genuinely interesting quirk of it, the most optimal way to clear it is to do the first two pulls wtw, not because it is the best way to kill enemies, it is but for this method you aren't going to kill enemies, but because you can abuse a quirk of the game regarding boss rooms, whenever a boss is as much as tagged, this enables the shortcut at the start of the dungeon, so the idea is to run in, tag the boss while planning to die, and then, well, just wipe, then respawn and take the TP to the boss.

This can be done in the first two bosses, though not the third because there is a gate that requires mobs to be killed to get the key, but this can also be done in any dungeon where there is no barrier between the pulls and the boss, think the first room of Aurum Vale is too hard? just ignore it, smack the boss and accept your fate, a little death never killed anyone!

I totally forgot about that! Actually had a tank do this in Aurum Vale once or twice but never with Stone Vigil but suppose it does make sense. Mainly use Stone Vigil as an example due to constantly running it for leveling etc. vs Aurum Vale... because there's something in that places air or something.

[Chajii]

This can be done in the first two bosses, though not the third because there is a gate that requires mobs to be killed to get the key

Fun Fact: Although the final boss in Stone Vigil is locked behind a gate, the gate does not require any key nor mobs to be killed (in contrast Stone Vigil (Hard) does require), you can have one of the DPS run up and open the gate while the pull is ongoing, and then pull into the boss room, of course if the party agree to do so.

[Elephantality]

Stone Vigil is an amusing example to use, like not in a smug way "Oh you are so wrong", but like I think this is a genuinely interesting quirk of it, the most optimal way to clear it is to do the first two pulls wtw, not because it is the best way to kill enemies, it is but for this method you aren't going to kill enemies, but because you can abuse a quirk of the game regarding boss rooms, whenever a boss is as much as tagged, this enables the shortcut at the start of the dungeon, so the idea is to run in, tag the boss while planning to die, and then, well, just wipe, then respawn and take the TP to the boss.

This can be done in the first two bosses, though not the third because there is a gate that requires mobs to be killed to get the key, but this can also be done in any dungeon where there is no barrier between the pulls and the boss, think the first room of Aurum Vale is too hard? just ignore it, smack the boss and accept your fate, a little death never killed anyone!

Sadly, does not sound fun at all.

[Chajii]

Sadly, does not sound fun at all.

Fortunately there is always an option to instead pull all the mobs into the boss rooms and defeat all of them, it would require all 4 players be well-geared but it is doable as long as everyone knows what they are doing.

[LukaRoselia]

The problem is that new players are there for the first time doing their story run and everyone else queued up for a quick 10 minute roulette. It's just an issue caused by that design unfortuantely and yeah, I agree with you to respect new players and be more patient but a lot of people just don't. I only just did 7.3 today and the tank couldn't even wait for the last boss story cutscene likely because again, they don't care they just want their 10 minute expert roulette done asap. Sure I could have ran it with trusts but this is an mmo and I don't play it to play a solo game.

[Shistar]

I only just did 7.3 today and the tank couldn't even wait for the last boss story cutscene likely because again, they don't care they just want their 10 minute expert roulette done asap.

That seriously sucks. It annoys me so much when people can't be bothered to wait the 10 seconds it takes for the cutscene to come and go, and it makes a difference for the sprout...

[TBerry]

I pull jack shit as DPS. 99% of my runs were everyone waiting for each other and have EVERYONE do their thing, including the tank pulling. You know, COMMON COURTESY!
People, don't let some egomanic distort your view. If in most cases the tank pulls, then that's what is happening and what's expected.
Don't let anyone push their playstyle as the only real style.

[Nyastra]

I pull jack shit as DPS. 99% of my runs were everyone waiting for each other and have EVERYONE do their thing, including the tank pulling. You know, COMMON COURTESY!
People, don't let some egomanic distort your view. If in most cases the tank pulls, then that's what is happening and what's expected.
Don't let anyone push their playstyle as the only real style.

It's apparently not as common to just be nice. I've been playing for 7 years, and every time I do run ahead of the tank (not to pull, but to guide them) I stop short of pulling aggro and, guess what, wait. To this day it has not killed me to go a little slower. But apparently it will harm the majority of players. I guess.

[TBerry]

It's apparently not as common to just be nice. I've been playing for 7 years, and every time I do run ahead of the tank (not to pull, but to guide them) I stop short of pulling aggro and, guess what, wait. To this day it has not killed me to go a little slower. But apparently it will harm the majority of players. I guess.

Yes, that's what I mean.
It baffles me that not being OPTIMAL ALL THE TIME is such a big no-no.