Demiatma drop rates are unacceptable

[Valence]

This is quite disingenuous. Not all content is for everyone. I really don't like crafting or doing any of the content related to it so I just...don't do it.

There's nothing wrong with giving feedback and as long as it's sensible feedback I don't think people should be dogpiled for it. However, leaving feedback and having that content not be for you aren't mutually exclusive things; especially if the feedback is more less just "this sucks I don't like it" (which to be fair, is what most of the "feedback" on the forums seems to be these days). That being said, if you genuinely don't like anything in the game right now, then maybe the game is, in fact, not the game for you at the moment?

This is exactly the point I was making: the "not all content is for everyone" reply is seriously getting on my nerves by this point.

But I do agree with you, and perhaps we're just looking at two completely different types of feedback: I'm looking at all the people that have actually given meaningful negative feedback about it and have brought up so many good points about why "it sucks", while you're perhaps looking at all the ones that just said "it sucks I don't like it". Sure, ideally I'd like every piece of feedback to be constructed with actual arguments, but even the simple feedback that "it sucks" still means some people didn't like it, perhaps for valid reasons, perhaps not, and it should tell something about the content, especially when considering the valid points brought up by the other part of the playerbase dissatisfied with it.

And then when people aren't conveniently constantly ignoring all of the negative feedback with good points, they'll always revert back to "perhaps this content isn't for you then!". Give me a break. The actual reality is that some people want something a certain way, and some people want it another way, and that's about it. There is nobody having the right or wrong nor any superiority about it, and I'll fight tooth and nail to get something I do enjoy (how can anyone enjoy and defend that rng? I don't even know but heh, still have to actually read a single argument that makes sense to defend it). The difference is that the unlikely day I get what I like, I hope to remember having the decency not to shove "perhaps this isn't the type of content for you" into the face of people that don't like it.

If you think I don't like anything about the game right now, then you're projecting your fantasies. I would have left the game already if that was the case. And if you weren't addressing this to myself, then that's nothing more than a big strawman for the sake of making strawmen, I'm sorry.

[Supersnow845]

Fun and engaging content, but as I've come to find out with this game, this is an impossible challenge for Square-Enix to pull off on all possible levels, least of all on the casual one ...though I suppose a relic weapon doesn't count as "casual" content given their hefty demands, and it was my own fault for thinking it was something available to me or that I would enjoy doing it.

Okay yes saying “I want it to be good” is all well and good, but it’s also a completely vapid statement

What do you want a relic to entail?

Like if you were asked to create a relic that required you to have some sort of “grind” to obtain a combat weapon what would you want that grind to entail? How would you compensate people who don’t like the same content you do? How would you respond to the negative feedback offered by the old relics

Don’t get me wrong I don’t think the modern relics are particularly good as they are but I’d prefer to fix them by making them more grindy and using a wider variety of content

Like what do you want out of the relics because if you find nothing fun then the better question is what is holding you to the game

[Brandr]

How would they make it faster exactly? Your post doesn't make any sense to me.
Or are you saying they should suffer more just to prove that they're very supportive or something? That sounds somewhat entitled if that's a thing you'd expect friends to do for you.

It's very clear why you don't have any friends lol

[Miguel85NYC]

It's very clear why you don't have any friends lol

wrong... I'm her friend. Just farm the Demiatma,. Stop being entitled babies

[Supersnow845]

Nothing, actually, which is why I'm not renewed for September because I didn't even need to reach Dawntrail before running out of stuff to do and nobody to do anything with. That I'm bowing out in the middle of Shadowbringers (recently finished Crown of the Immaculate after spending most of it on the floor) really says it all that the supposed "best expansion ever" was the one where I finally gave up because I well and truly can not keep up with Normal content anymore, and I'm done with being forced to leave duties and do everything unsync solo instead because I'm tired of being dead weight the further I get into each expansion with no hope of improvement.

It sucks that it took over two years to realize it, but that's on me for being stupid and thinking this game had anything for my skill level (even the MSQ) and I'm done with buying into the lie.

Why on earth are you on a thread complaining about the DT’s relics if you are leaving the game in ShB because the normal content has overwhelmed you

[CCheshire]

Why on earth are you on a thread complaining about the DT’s relics if you are leaving the game in ShB because the normal content has overwhelmed you

It's just their hobby to post on forums about content they never did or want to do due to being "casual" and still at ShB in 2025.

I first tried replying with actual options, like if they had wanted to make real progress, but not really, I gave up fast once I realized the truth.

[Rikizza]

People complain when its challenging and they complain when its easy. Hmmmmmm
Btw i got 4 today in about 3 hours

[ViinaS]

People complain when its challenging and they complain when its easy. Hmmmmmm
Btw i got 4 today in about 3 hours

Except it is neither challenging nor easy.
It is mindless Fate farming with low RNG odds.

You got 4 in 3 hours? Guess what, that's not the norm.
And that is the issue.
People dislike it being pure RNG. I have spent multiple days in there farming Fates for hours and got not a single one.

This is not "do X Y amount of times for the stuff you need"
This is completely random. Some may get super lucky and het 1 every 10 minutes. Others may not see a single one after hours.
THAT is the issue.

Not to mention Fate grinding is as lazy and boring of content as it can get.

[jadeharley]

Idk whats going on with this thread, but I think SE should consider making the atma grind required once per job instead of just once overall. Relics are much more fun to grind when I have to earn them.

[Brandr]

Idk whats going on with this thread, but I think SE should consider making the atma grind required once per job instead of just once overall. Relics are much more fun to grind when I have to earn them.

Agreed. They should even lower the drop rates. I finished mine too fast.