Can we please

[Tulvi]

I can't for the life of me understand why you people keep arguing that as if it's a good rebuttal for not being able to trade simple dungeon gear. I even said multiple times what we were doing. Do you really think farming them full sets of gear via dungeons, or tombstones is something that we could just do in the moment? These arguments are all in bad faith that maybe try to perform some kind of weird gotcha? I just don't understand the lack of empathy here.

Absolutely with you on this one. There’s no reason why dungeon gear or even tomestones gear from a vendor couldn’t be traded. 100% of that gear gets unused with the next iLVL cap raise anyway - ending up in glamour dressers, traded in with GC or simply discarded. I’d be more than happy to kickstart a returning friend so we can play together. It doesn’t hurt my ego, nor does it invalidate hours of my own experience farming that gear. There’s ofc multiple ways of obtaining tomestones, one doesn’t have to do only roulettes, but what if that returning player isn’t fond of that content? Should we subject them to farming it for a week? They’ll lose interest in the game, because they might have come back for one piece of content. I honestly don’t think it’s a big deal to allow used dungeon / tomes gear to be tradable. Some people will have the counter-argument of “farming your gear after returning helps you remember your job again”… BS. If that was why roulettes are there, then we wouldn’t have the crafted gear option.

I swear a big part of this community sometimes acts like they have a patent on how to play this game and any suggestion for a different approach “isn’t the right way to have fun”.

[BlisteringFrost]

Thanks for the worthless comment because guess what, we weren't gatekept from anything. The game is designed for people to hop back in and play immediately and with an arbitrary barrier, we still did.

I hope that thought continues to make people like you and the others who think their way to play is the only way, mad, because the reality is that most of you people are the ones who got this game in the state that it's in.

Also, My gear was 745 so I was good. Again I was helping others. But you would have known that if you would have actually read my post and didn't start seeing red the second you felt your personality, aka the game get critiqued for literally any reason at all.

I've been reading the thread. This comment perfectly encapsulates what's wrong. But if I took the time to explain why you would take just as much if not more time discrediting it.

You were given the solution to your problem multiple times my friend in Hydalaen.

[Tulvi]

the little prep this game asks

Except it doesn’t, and that’s part of the OP’s point. In the current state of affairs when crafted gear is a thing in the game, ready to be bought without ANY prep required from the buying party, then there’s no logical reason for not allowing trading even used dungeon / tomes gear (I mean gear you can buy for Mathematics and the other tomes, I forgot the name of them). If the OP had enough Gil and was willing to spend it, he could’ve just bought however many sets of gear his friends needed and nothing would prevent them from entering new content (apart from MSQ / quest progression ofc). And if the system of soul binding is the barrier, that’s exactly another part of OP’s point - get rid of it when it comes to this gear. If you have a problem with returners politely asking for more options to skip the grind, then you should have a problem with crafted gear as well, because realistically, the game doesn’t gatekeep you from obtaining high enough iLVL without playing the game.

[Haru304]

I thought about this last night, a little bit more.

What if we got rid of all RPG aspects, made gear purely cosmetic, and all stats are baseline and level based?

Let's remove the need for gear or gear tiering entirely.

90% of the game's content is so easy, majority of players could do it blindfolded.

So why not?

The game has been deleting all of the aspects I cared about for years, from resistances, to differences in gear, etc. It's WoW all over again.

Just get rid of the lot. I enjoy PvP partly because I like the fact that I don't have to gear for it. Just throw everyone in a lobby, or whatever.

Remove levelling too, or make it so I can accumulate levels and then hand the leftover XP to someone that doesn't play.

I'm not being sarcastic. My levels of care are just at an all time low.

I miss MMORPGs.

[Uzephi]

Except it doesn’t, and that’s part of the OP’s point. In the current state of affairs when crafted gear is a thing in the game, ready to be bought without ANY prep required from the buying party, then there’s no logical reason for not allowing trading even used dungeon / tomes gear (I mean gear you can buy for Mathematics and the other tomes, I forgot the name of them). If the OP had enough Gil and was willing to spend it, he could’ve just bought however many sets of gear his friends needed and nothing would prevent them from entering new content (apart from MSQ / quest progression ofc). And if the system of soul binding is the barrier, that’s exactly another part of OP’s point - get rid of it when it comes to this gear. If you have a problem with returners politely asking for more options to skip the grind, then you should have a problem with crafted gear as well, because realistically, the game doesn’t gatekeep you from obtaining high enough iLVL without playing the game.

You still had to prep to get the gil to buy off the board. Sometimes prepping is 'passive' and oft overlooked with the minute details like gil when it's in abundance. I am actually on Haru's side. No need for hand-me down features if we just remove gear progression and just use character levels. Imagine that, needing to gain a level or two to open up new content.

What would your answer to the ever present aspect of character progression some people yearn for? If gear is a roadblock, just remove it and have a different way to show character improvement.

[Uzephi]

- Do you think "break" and "effect" have the same meaning? Did I ever say it wouldn't have an effect? I think this confirms your comprehension isn't great.

If something effects a mechanic to a strong degree, wouldn't people call that broken? Please comprehend the similarities between two words before trying to attack someone.

- Just read this out loud and tell me who is the self centered one lmfao. You're literally made because we helped someone play the game in a way that you don't like and you think they should'nt be able to play the game until they do. You suck.

I never once said I was mad, angry, upset or any negative connotations, you are making these assumptions on me apathetically saying "if you don't have the time, don't play." It's the truth. Life comes first, and this game has catch up mechanics. If the 2-3mil total in gil for pieces of gear was too much, I don't know what to tell you. You got left behind, it's not too hard to invest some time or gil to catch up. I personally hate the gearing in game and started this conversation with you amicably, then you started being abrasive on simple suggestions. I am truly sorry you think I'm raging at you like you apparently raged out on me for simply speaking what I see.

- No YOU'RE the one who's not getting it. WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK TO ANYONE BEFORE WE PLAY. We don't HAVE to do anything.

And you see what happens when you don't. I never said you had to. I just gave some friendly advice to help you out. I will be sure to steer clear of you since you are a bottle rocket.

- It's not your job to request how we decided to play the game at all, and we are under absolutely no obligations to obey any request some no life random on the form makes about how we should spend our time playing the game we spend our hard earned money on. Get a grip and go touch grass.

I never commanded you. I will be sure to not advise you any further on how to make your experience in this game a little better, because I see I get attacked for doing so.

lol you're still tap dancing around this point and trying to call it a lie KNOWING that others verified it.

I don't know about universalis, and I'm at an 'agree to disagree' point in the discussion, but I figured I'd add my own personal experience of a main-player on the Crystal data centre.

I have visited every world, both yesterday and today, to check current gear prices. It would cost roughly between 3m-5m per set, pending engagement with a crafter for collaboration purposes.

3-5mil per set from someone in your DC checking. Others were guessing and didn't factually check. please don't take hearsay as fact. There are ways to see purchase history of items and none were over what I said earlier when I checked... even at a market board.... in game. As I said previously, hyperbole can only get you so far before we straight out call it a lie.

[Ephremjlm]

I've been reading the thread. This comment perfectly encapsulates what's wrong. But if I took the time to explain why you would take just as much if not more time discrediting it.

You were given the solution to your problem multiple times my friend in Hydalaen.

You basically said nothing in this comment. This reads like "i'm right but i'm not gonna tell you why because you would have a credible rebuttal". Great job with this one.

You people are gonna have to do better if you think you're gonna get by me with your insane takes. You read the thread and im willing to bet you just liked everything that went with your bias instead of hearing anything out that was a different opinion. I'm pretty sure I've knocked out just about every argument most people have brought and not a single person has been able to tell me why we can't trade dungeon gear. Instead they have argued everything else under the sun and have tried to tell how I and others SHOULD play the game when they don't pay my sub and we aren't breaking any rules.

[Ephremjlm]

I thought about this last night, a little bit more.

What if we got rid of all RPG aspects, made gear purely cosmetic, and all stats are baseline and level based?

Let's remove the need for gear or gear tiering entirely.

90% of the game's content is so easy, majority of players could do it blindfolded.

So why not?

The game has been deleting all of the aspects I cared about for years, from resistances, to differences in gear, etc. It's WoW all over again.

Just get rid of the lot. I enjoy PvP partly because I like the fact that I don't have to gear for it. Just throw everyone in a lobby, or whatever.

Remove levelling too, or make it so I can accumulate levels and then hand the leftover XP to someone that doesn't play.

I'm not being sarcastic. My levels of care are just at an all time low.

I miss MMORPGs.

Brother I feel you lmfao. I in no way was trying to be pessimistic at all in this post when it comes to the game, but I'll be the first to say that I think things have gone to far on the QOL front. I have no clue where the actual line should be drawn but I think we are pretty far to one side so I just thought F it why not one more small thing XD. If anything it actually makes the game more MMO like lol.

[Ephremjlm]

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You just keep going but im here for it.


"If something effects a mechanic to a strong degree, wouldn't people call that broken? Please comprehend the similarities between two words before trying to attack someone."
- Your question is presupposing the answer. 1. That's not a valid question 2. You have no proof that it would even affect anything that much, and 3. You can deduce that because its weaker than literally all of the other gear that it doesn't stop people from having a demand for the crafted and tomb gear. It simply just doesn't make dungeon gear worthless.

"I never once said I was mad"
- lmao naaaaaaaaaaaw you're definitely mad XD. it's okay though I would be too if people saw me making these dumb comments.

"And you see what happens when you don't. I never said you had to. I just gave some friendly advice to help you out. I will be sure to steer clear of you since you are a bottle rocket."
- If this is friendly then I surely don't need anyone to be antagonistic.

"I never commanded you. I will be sure to not advise you any further on how to make your experience in this game a little better, because I see I get attacked for doing so."
- Self awareness is not your strong suit is it? But im sure I and others will be fine without having you in your advisory position.

"3-5mil per set from someone in your DC checking. Others were guessing and didn't factually check. please don't take hearsay as fact. There are ways to see purchase history of items and none were over what I said earlier when I checked... even at a market board.... in game. As I said previously, hyperbole can only get you so far before we straight out call it a lie. "
- STILL harping on this point that you are completely wrong on lol. God you are bad faith.


And here I thought you were actually going to try and argue the points but you just simply dug yourself in a deeper hole to anyone who is half way rational. GG's mate.

[BlisteringFrost]

You basically said nothing in this comment. This reads like "i'm right but i'm not gonna tell you why because you would have a credible rebuttal". Great job with this one.

You people are gonna have to do better if you think you're gonna get by me with your insane takes. You read the thread and im willing to bet you just liked everything that went with your bias instead of hearing anything out that was a different opinion. I'm pretty sure I've knocked out just about every argument most people have brought and not a single person has been able to tell me why we can't trade dungeon gear. Instead they have argued everything else under the sun and have tried to tell how I and others SHOULD play the game when they don't pay my sub and we aren't breaking any rules.

Yeah I didn't.