Can we please

[Ephremjlm]

I'll try and keep this one a bit briefer because I respect the effort you're putting into responding to so many people.

1. I'd argue that it isn't arbitrary because it would directly impact sale of crafted gear, in some way, shape or form.

2. You still need to spend gil that you've accumulated to buy gear, which then goes directly into another player's pocket. On a positive note - glad to hear you all put some team-work in. I admire that. You could've also all just run content together to gear up.

3. Being able to trade dungeon gear would likely undermine current systems of progression and player interaction. It would certainly effect the market board, considerably.

I appreciate you words, I totally didn't think this would turn into what it did when I initially posted this but here we are lol.

1. I mean I can't in good faith argue that it wouldn't affect sales "at all" I just think that making something that is currently useless, worthwhile makes more sense. And another dot on the line in their vertical progression if anything just keeps players engaged and chasing those higher numbers. Also idk man they didn't seem to care at all about the market when OC released lmao (not trying to argue that, I just thought it was funny)

2. The problem that I keep mentioning is that we didn't all have the time available to play together and we wanted to make it happen. We did so mission accomplished.

3. I mean I already answered this in point 1, but yeah I think it would add not take away.

[Uzephi]

- So you don’t actually know that it would BREAK anything.

Not knowing the severity of an effect isn't analogous to saying it might not have an effect. Reading comprehension would do you well here.

- You’re not being a devils advocate and here’s why. 1. This game is LITERALLY designed to be picked up on a whim. Yoshi P. has said that multiple times. 2. For the BILLIONTH time, I was prepared, I was simply trying to help others so they could play. I think that’s THE OPPOSITE of self centered.

I apologize for confusing your unprepared friends for yourself. They're self centered. You still danced around that subject. Yes, you're allowed to take breaks, there are catch up mechanisms in place to help you catch up. Don't have the time? Come back when you do. Simple.

- It’s bad faith of you to try and rehash this AGAIN to try and act like it’s a new point because I already answered this point, in that no one was available at the time. That said, since I feel like being a little meaner now, the game doesn’t operate that way. And on top of that I laugh so hard at people trying to argue preparation as if it it’s some kind of 5d chess level move in this game.

You're still not grasping what I said and you are interpreting that interestingly. So, you and your friends talked to an FC mate/crafter friend before returning? You still haven't answered that all you said was "no one was available at the time" implying you didn't preplan the question just asked who was online when you were currently playing. C'mon man, don't sit there wanting people to automatically follow your schedule without notice.

You people don’t have a clue what real preparation is. Go play Everquest. Go play FFXI. Go play Diablo II. Go to any game that actually has RPG stats and that requires farming specific gear for a specific fight in which the gear itself sometimes requires farming specific things for that too, or unlocking different things. These arguments are so elitist for a game that is designed to be on easy mode. All my recommendation does, is say “hey I noticed that compared to how the rest of the game is, this seems like a weird barrier, can we get this fixed so it’s more in line with the rest of the systems?”

Thank you for admitting my small advice of the little prep this game asks isn't much, so it's not an outlandish request for us in this forum to make compared to other games

And once again another example of you being bad faith except you didn’t try to hide it this time. Multiple people in this thread have confirmed this and given explanations as to why that happened. I even responded to them meaning those comment showed up multiple times. I’m just glad you went mask off for a minute so people who read this can see it.

Now you're trying to dance around the truth when all the proof needed to see what I say as true is a quick check of any maiming, aiming, healing or casting 740 piece on universalis. It's not bad faith. It's plain facts. Sorry you got called out and crowd sourced data proved your lie.

[Haru304]

I don't know about universalis, and I'm at an 'agree to disagree' point in the discussion, but I figured I'd add my own personal experience of a main-player on the Crystal data centre.

I have visited every world, both yesterday and today, to check current gear prices. It would cost roughly between 3m-5m per set, pending engagement with a crafter for collaboration purposes.

And I understand, 'somehow' that can be a -lot- of gil for folks, while to me it's a drop in a puddle.

In any case, it's good to know that the .hackers are still keeping Morganna at bay.

[tsuchii]

Can you like at least do the bare minimum? 740 gear is free. You can get 4 of them from the last normal raid. 720 gear from the dungeon. More 720 from the previous alliance raid. The game is already stupidly easy, demands like this just ruin it more

[Jeeqbit]

1M can be a lot to get if you don't actively play the game between patches but they should also have been aware of that when they returned to the game and maybe returned a few days before to do some content and get gear from normal raids, dungeons, etc.

It's also the case that most FCs have a crafter that can make or has made some gear, so that they either wouldn't need to buy it or they'd have the gil to buy it. I've never been in an FC that does not have one of these, ever, so your FC seems like an outlier.

Moreover, submarines and airships exist for the purpose of FCs making huge sums of gil in order to help their FC members, so you could look into those.

Literally every piece is between 100-200K in my server. I genuinely find it hard to believe prices are that inflated across servers.

They were that inflated on my server actually (1M), because people bought them on a mass scale to augment them. If I wasn't lazy I could have world visited for a better price though.

[Boblawblah]

1M can be a lot to get if you don't actively play the game between patches but they should also have been aware of that when they returned to the game and maybe returned a few days before to do some content and get gear from normal raids, dungeons, etc.

It's also the case that most FCs have a crafter that can make or has made some gear, so that they either wouldn't need to buy it or they'd have the gil to buy it. I've never been in an FC that does not have one of these, ever, so your FC seems like an outlier.

Moreover, submarines and airships exist for the purpose of FCs making huge sums of gil in order to help their FC members, so you could look into those.

They were that inflated on my server actually (1M), because people bought them on a mass scale to augment them. If I wasn't lazy I could have world visited for a better price though.

1 million is definitely a lot for me, I generally have around 1.5 - 2 million max, so blowing most of that on gear just to do the newest content can be frustrating, but honestly, I just do the older dungeons for practice to get my chops back (what chops I have :3) and bonus, I get the gear I need.

[BlisteringFrost]

A lot of reasonably polite crafters will make you a whole set for free if you supply a specific requisite material.

Don't wanna work? Then don't feel entitled to be in a raid where the game itself is telling you to get better gear, or you will be gatekept from it. By the game.

[Ephremjlm]

A lot of reasonably polite crafters will make you a whole set for free if you supply a specific requisite material.

Don't wanna work? Then don't feel entitled to be in a raid where the game itself is telling you to get better gear, or you will be gatekept from it. By the game.

Thanks for the worthless comment because guess what, we weren't gatekept from anything. The game is designed for people to hop back in and play immediately and with an arbitrary barrier, we still did.

I hope that thought continues to make people like you and the others who think their way to play is the only way, mad, because the reality is that most of you people are the ones who got this game in the state that it's in.

Also, My gear was 745 so I was good. Again I was helping others. But you would have known that if you would have actually read my post and didn't start seeing red the second you felt your personality, aka the game get critiqued for literally any reason at all.

[Ephremjlm]

Can you like at least do the bare minimum? 740 gear is free. You can get 4 of them from the last normal raid. 720 gear from the dungeon. More 720 from the previous alliance raid. The game is already stupidly easy, demands like this just ruin it more

Lol we absolutely did the bare minimum and bought the gear. If you don't like that the game allows that then be mad. Also 740 isn't free what are you talking about? If you have to get them from a raid then there is cost in time. We only have so much time together since we don't choose to no life this specific game which incentivizes the least amount of grind possible.

[Ephremjlm]

Not knowing the severity of an effect isn't analogous to saying it might not have an effect. Reading comprehension would do you well here.



I apologize for confusing your unprepared friends for yourself. They're self centered. You still danced around that subject. Yes, you're allowed to take breaks, there are catch up mechanisms in place to help you catch up. Don't have the time? Come back when you do. Simple.



You're still not grasping what I said and you are interpreting that interestingly. So, you and your friends talked to an FC mate/crafter friend before returning? You still haven't answered that all you said was "no one was available at the time" implying you didn't preplan the question just asked who was online when you were currently playing. C'mon man, don't sit there wanting people to automatically follow your schedule without notice.





Thank you for admitting my small advice of the little prep this game asks isn't much, so it's not an outlandish request for us in this forum to make compared to other games

Now you're trying to dance around the truth when all the proof needed to see what I say as true is a quick check of any maiming, aiming, healing or casting 740 piece on universalis. It's not bad faith. It's plain facts. Sorry you got called out and crowd sourced data proved your lie.

Okay here we go again.

1. "Not knowing the severity of an effect isn't analogous to saying it might not have an effect. Reading comprehension would do you well here."
- Do you think "break" and "effect" have the same meaning? Did I ever say it wouldn't have an effect? I think this confirms your comprehension isn't great.

2. "I apologize for confusing your unprepared friends for yourself. They're self centered. You still danced around that subject. Yes, you're allowed to take breaks, there are catch up mechanisms in place to help you catch up. Don't have the time? Come back when you do. Simple."
- Just read this out loud and tell me who is the self centered one lmfao. You're literally made because we helped someone play the game in a way that you don't like and you think they should'nt be able to play the game until they do. You suck.

3. "You're still not grasping what I said and you are interpreting that interestingly. So, you and your friends talked to an FC mate/crafter friend before returning? You still haven't answered that all you said was "no one was available at the time" implying you didn't preplan the question just asked who was online when you were currently playing. C'mon man, don't sit there wanting people to automatically follow your schedule without notice."
- No YOU'RE the one who's not getting it. WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK TO ANYONE BEFORE WE PLAY. We don't HAVE to do anything. People were there at the same time, and we wanted to play together. And once again it worked out as intended, so whatever preconceived notions you have about what we shouldn't be able to do based on our individual lives and schedules or preferences is simply WRONG. I guess when you have made this game your whole life and personality that's hard to grasp but if you try REALLY hard maybe you could make that happen.

4. "Thank you for admitting my small advice of the little prep this game asks isn't much, so it's not an outlandish request for us in this forum to make compared to other games"
- It's not your job to request how we decided to play the game at all, and we are under absolutely no obligations to obey any request some no life random on the form makes about how we should spend our time playing the game we spend our hard earned money on. Get a grip and go touch grass.

5. "Now you're trying to dance around the truth when all the proof needed to see what I say as true is a quick check of any maiming, aiming, healing or casting 740 piece on universalis. It's not bad faith. It's plain facts. Sorry you got called out and crowd sourced data proved your lie. "
- lol you're still tap dancing around this point and trying to call it a lie KNOWING that others verified it. Like multiple people. THIS is one of the reasons why people are leaving, and this is also why this game will probably never get a game award for best community again because for all the whining and complaining its you people that made the game so easy in the first place to cater to people who have never breathed fresh air.


Good luck dude, and good try in trying to originally mask yourself and sneak in like you ever had an honest question, advice, or opinion on something.