Can we please

[Uzephi]

- So you don’t actually know that it would BREAK anything.

Not knowing the severity of an effect isn't analogous to saying it might not have an effect. Reading comprehension would do you well here.

- You’re not being a devils advocate and here’s why. 1. This game is LITERALLY designed to be picked up on a whim. Yoshi P. has said that multiple times. 2. For the BILLIONTH time, I was prepared, I was simply trying to help others so they could play. I think that’s THE OPPOSITE of self centered.

I apologize for confusing your unprepared friends for yourself. They're self centered. You still danced around that subject. Yes, you're allowed to take breaks, there are catch up mechanisms in place to help you catch up. Don't have the time? Come back when you do. Simple.

- It’s bad faith of you to try and rehash this AGAIN to try and act like it’s a new point because I already answered this point, in that no one was available at the time. That said, since I feel like being a little meaner now, the game doesn’t operate that way. And on top of that I laugh so hard at people trying to argue preparation as if it it’s some kind of 5d chess level move in this game.

You're still not grasping what I said and you are interpreting that interestingly. So, you and your friends talked to an FC mate/crafter friend before returning? You still haven't answered that all you said was "no one was available at the time" implying you didn't preplan the question just asked who was online when you were currently playing. C'mon man, don't sit there wanting people to automatically follow your schedule without notice.

You people don’t have a clue what real preparation is. Go play Everquest. Go play FFXI. Go play Diablo II. Go to any game that actually has RPG stats and that requires farming specific gear for a specific fight in which the gear itself sometimes requires farming specific things for that too, or unlocking different things. These arguments are so elitist for a game that is designed to be on easy mode. All my recommendation does, is say “hey I noticed that compared to how the rest of the game is, this seems like a weird barrier, can we get this fixed so it’s more in line with the rest of the systems?”

Thank you for admitting my small advice of the little prep this game asks isn't much, so it's not an outlandish request for us in this forum to make compared to other games

And once again another example of you being bad faith except you didn’t try to hide it this time. Multiple people in this thread have confirmed this and given explanations as to why that happened. I even responded to them meaning those comment showed up multiple times. I’m just glad you went mask off for a minute so people who read this can see it.

Now you're trying to dance around the truth when all the proof needed to see what I say as true is a quick check of any maiming, aiming, healing or casting 740 piece on universalis. It's not bad faith. It's plain facts. Sorry you got called out and crowd sourced data proved your lie.

[Ephremjlm]

Not knowing the severity of an effect isn't analogous to saying it might not have an effect. Reading comprehension would do you well here.



I apologize for confusing your unprepared friends for yourself. They're self centered. You still danced around that subject. Yes, you're allowed to take breaks, there are catch up mechanisms in place to help you catch up. Don't have the time? Come back when you do. Simple.



You're still not grasping what I said and you are interpreting that interestingly. So, you and your friends talked to an FC mate/crafter friend before returning? You still haven't answered that all you said was "no one was available at the time" implying you didn't preplan the question just asked who was online when you were currently playing. C'mon man, don't sit there wanting people to automatically follow your schedule without notice.





Thank you for admitting my small advice of the little prep this game asks isn't much, so it's not an outlandish request for us in this forum to make compared to other games

Now you're trying to dance around the truth when all the proof needed to see what I say as true is a quick check of any maiming, aiming, healing or casting 740 piece on universalis. It's not bad faith. It's plain facts. Sorry you got called out and crowd sourced data proved your lie.

Okay here we go again.

1. "Not knowing the severity of an effect isn't analogous to saying it might not have an effect. Reading comprehension would do you well here."
- Do you think "break" and "effect" have the same meaning? Did I ever say it wouldn't have an effect? I think this confirms your comprehension isn't great.

2. "I apologize for confusing your unprepared friends for yourself. They're self centered. You still danced around that subject. Yes, you're allowed to take breaks, there are catch up mechanisms in place to help you catch up. Don't have the time? Come back when you do. Simple."
- Just read this out loud and tell me who is the self centered one lmfao. You're literally made because we helped someone play the game in a way that you don't like and you think they should'nt be able to play the game until they do. You suck.

3. "You're still not grasping what I said and you are interpreting that interestingly. So, you and your friends talked to an FC mate/crafter friend before returning? You still haven't answered that all you said was "no one was available at the time" implying you didn't preplan the question just asked who was online when you were currently playing. C'mon man, don't sit there wanting people to automatically follow your schedule without notice."
- No YOU'RE the one who's not getting it. WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK TO ANYONE BEFORE WE PLAY. We don't HAVE to do anything. People were there at the same time, and we wanted to play together. And once again it worked out as intended, so whatever preconceived notions you have about what we shouldn't be able to do based on our individual lives and schedules or preferences is simply WRONG. I guess when you have made this game your whole life and personality that's hard to grasp but if you try REALLY hard maybe you could make that happen.

4. "Thank you for admitting my small advice of the little prep this game asks isn't much, so it's not an outlandish request for us in this forum to make compared to other games"
- It's not your job to request how we decided to play the game at all, and we are under absolutely no obligations to obey any request some no life random on the form makes about how we should spend our time playing the game we spend our hard earned money on. Get a grip and go touch grass.

5. "Now you're trying to dance around the truth when all the proof needed to see what I say as true is a quick check of any maiming, aiming, healing or casting 740 piece on universalis. It's not bad faith. It's plain facts. Sorry you got called out and crowd sourced data proved your lie. "
- lol you're still tap dancing around this point and trying to call it a lie KNOWING that others verified it. Like multiple people. THIS is one of the reasons why people are leaving, and this is also why this game will probably never get a game award for best community again because for all the whining and complaining its you people that made the game so easy in the first place to cater to people who have never breathed fresh air.


Good luck dude, and good try in trying to originally mask yourself and sneak in like you ever had an honest question, advice, or opinion on something.

[Uzephi]

- Do you think "break" and "effect" have the same meaning? Did I ever say it wouldn't have an effect? I think this confirms your comprehension isn't great.

If something effects a mechanic to a strong degree, wouldn't people call that broken? Please comprehend the similarities between two words before trying to attack someone.

- Just read this out loud and tell me who is the self centered one lmfao. You're literally made because we helped someone play the game in a way that you don't like and you think they should'nt be able to play the game until they do. You suck.

I never once said I was mad, angry, upset or any negative connotations, you are making these assumptions on me apathetically saying "if you don't have the time, don't play." It's the truth. Life comes first, and this game has catch up mechanics. If the 2-3mil total in gil for pieces of gear was too much, I don't know what to tell you. You got left behind, it's not too hard to invest some time or gil to catch up. I personally hate the gearing in game and started this conversation with you amicably, then you started being abrasive on simple suggestions. I am truly sorry you think I'm raging at you like you apparently raged out on me for simply speaking what I see.

- No YOU'RE the one who's not getting it. WE DON'T HAVE TO TALK TO ANYONE BEFORE WE PLAY. We don't HAVE to do anything.

And you see what happens when you don't. I never said you had to. I just gave some friendly advice to help you out. I will be sure to steer clear of you since you are a bottle rocket.

- It's not your job to request how we decided to play the game at all, and we are under absolutely no obligations to obey any request some no life random on the form makes about how we should spend our time playing the game we spend our hard earned money on. Get a grip and go touch grass.

I never commanded you. I will be sure to not advise you any further on how to make your experience in this game a little better, because I see I get attacked for doing so.

lol you're still tap dancing around this point and trying to call it a lie KNOWING that others verified it.

I don't know about universalis, and I'm at an 'agree to disagree' point in the discussion, but I figured I'd add my own personal experience of a main-player on the Crystal data centre.

I have visited every world, both yesterday and today, to check current gear prices. It would cost roughly between 3m-5m per set, pending engagement with a crafter for collaboration purposes.

3-5mil per set from someone in your DC checking. Others were guessing and didn't factually check. please don't take hearsay as fact. There are ways to see purchase history of items and none were over what I said earlier when I checked... even at a market board.... in game. As I said previously, hyperbole can only get you so far before we straight out call it a lie.

[Ephremjlm]

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You just keep going but im here for it.


"If something effects a mechanic to a strong degree, wouldn't people call that broken? Please comprehend the similarities between two words before trying to attack someone."
- Your question is presupposing the answer. 1. That's not a valid question 2. You have no proof that it would even affect anything that much, and 3. You can deduce that because its weaker than literally all of the other gear that it doesn't stop people from having a demand for the crafted and tomb gear. It simply just doesn't make dungeon gear worthless.

"I never once said I was mad"
- lmao naaaaaaaaaaaw you're definitely mad XD. it's okay though I would be too if people saw me making these dumb comments.

"And you see what happens when you don't. I never said you had to. I just gave some friendly advice to help you out. I will be sure to steer clear of you since you are a bottle rocket."
- If this is friendly then I surely don't need anyone to be antagonistic.

"I never commanded you. I will be sure to not advise you any further on how to make your experience in this game a little better, because I see I get attacked for doing so."
- Self awareness is not your strong suit is it? But im sure I and others will be fine without having you in your advisory position.

"3-5mil per set from someone in your DC checking. Others were guessing and didn't factually check. please don't take hearsay as fact. There are ways to see purchase history of items and none were over what I said earlier when I checked... even at a market board.... in game. As I said previously, hyperbole can only get you so far before we straight out call it a lie. "
- STILL harping on this point that you are completely wrong on lol. God you are bad faith.


And here I thought you were actually going to try and argue the points but you just simply dug yourself in a deeper hole to anyone who is half way rational. GG's mate.

[Haru304]

If something effects a mechanic to a strong degree, wouldn't people call that broken? Please comprehend the similarities between two words before trying to attack someone.



I never once said I was mad, angry, upset or any negative connotations, you are making these assumptions on me apathetically saying "if you don't have the time, don't play." It's the truth. Life comes first, and this game has catch up mechanics. If the 2-3mil total in gil for pieces of gear was too much, I don't know what to tell you. You got left behind, it's not too hard to invest some time or gil to catch up. I personally hate the gearing in game and started this conversation with you amicably, then you started being abrasive on simple suggestions. I am truly sorry you think I'm raging at you like you apparently raged out on me for simply speaking what I see.



And you see what happens when you don't. I never said you had to. I just gave some friendly advice to help you out. I will be sure to steer clear of you since you are a bottle rocket.



I never commanded you. I will be sure to not advise you any further on how to make your experience in this game a little better, because I see I get attacked for doing so.





3-5mil per set from someone in your DC checking. Others were guessing and didn't factually check. please don't take hearsay as fact. There are ways to see purchase history of items and none were over what I said earlier when I checked... even at a market board.... in game. As I said previously, hyperbole can only get you so far before we straight out call it a lie.

It isn't my intention to lie or spread misinformation. I'm just going off market board prices from day to day in my DC, -including- purchase history and listings. It's pretty expensive for an average, low effort/grind player.

[Tulvi]

the little prep this game asks

Except it doesn’t, and that’s part of the OP’s point. In the current state of affairs when crafted gear is a thing in the game, ready to be bought without ANY prep required from the buying party, then there’s no logical reason for not allowing trading even used dungeon / tomes gear (I mean gear you can buy for Mathematics and the other tomes, I forgot the name of them). If the OP had enough Gil and was willing to spend it, he could’ve just bought however many sets of gear his friends needed and nothing would prevent them from entering new content (apart from MSQ / quest progression ofc). And if the system of soul binding is the barrier, that’s exactly another part of OP’s point - get rid of it when it comes to this gear. If you have a problem with returners politely asking for more options to skip the grind, then you should have a problem with crafted gear as well, because realistically, the game doesn’t gatekeep you from obtaining high enough iLVL without playing the game.

[Uzephi]

Except it doesn’t, and that’s part of the OP’s point. In the current state of affairs when crafted gear is a thing in the game, ready to be bought without ANY prep required from the buying party, then there’s no logical reason for not allowing trading even used dungeon / tomes gear (I mean gear you can buy for Mathematics and the other tomes, I forgot the name of them). If the OP had enough Gil and was willing to spend it, he could’ve just bought however many sets of gear his friends needed and nothing would prevent them from entering new content (apart from MSQ / quest progression ofc). And if the system of soul binding is the barrier, that’s exactly another part of OP’s point - get rid of it when it comes to this gear. If you have a problem with returners politely asking for more options to skip the grind, then you should have a problem with crafted gear as well, because realistically, the game doesn’t gatekeep you from obtaining high enough iLVL without playing the game.

You still had to prep to get the gil to buy off the board. Sometimes prepping is 'passive' and oft overlooked with the minute details like gil when it's in abundance. I am actually on Haru's side. No need for hand-me down features if we just remove gear progression and just use character levels. Imagine that, needing to gain a level or two to open up new content.

What would your answer to the ever present aspect of character progression some people yearn for? If gear is a roadblock, just remove it and have a different way to show character improvement.

[Haru304]

I don't know about universalis, and I'm at an 'agree to disagree' point in the discussion, but I figured I'd add my own personal experience of a main-player on the Crystal data centre.

I have visited every world, both yesterday and today, to check current gear prices. It would cost roughly between 3m-5m per set, pending engagement with a crafter for collaboration purposes.

And I understand, 'somehow' that can be a -lot- of gil for folks, while to me it's a drop in a puddle.

In any case, it's good to know that the .hackers are still keeping Morganna at bay.

[Haru304]

I thought about this last night, a little bit more.

What if we got rid of all RPG aspects, made gear purely cosmetic, and all stats are baseline and level based?

Let's remove the need for gear or gear tiering entirely.

90% of the game's content is so easy, majority of players could do it blindfolded.

So why not?

The game has been deleting all of the aspects I cared about for years, from resistances, to differences in gear, etc. It's WoW all over again.

Just get rid of the lot. I enjoy PvP partly because I like the fact that I don't have to gear for it. Just throw everyone in a lobby, or whatever.

Remove levelling too, or make it so I can accumulate levels and then hand the leftover XP to someone that doesn't play.

I'm not being sarcastic. My levels of care are just at an all time low.

I miss MMORPGs.