Can we please

[Ephremjlm]

So I and a bunch of FC mates who took a break came back for the new patch, and we went to go and try the new Vana Diel raids. We noticed that a few people didn't have the minimum ilvl 725 gear, so as an FC might do we tried to help in resolving that issue. They obviously didn't have the tombs since they were away.

"No problem" I thought. I finished the MSQ earlier and I had about 4-6 pieces of 735 gear that should help raise the ilvl substantially, from their 710-700 gear. I went to trade them some of the gear, and I COULDN'T. I completely forgot this game still has the insane arbitrary restriction on, of all things, DUNGEON GEAR.

So as the title says, can we please do away with this already. It's SUCH a waste of time, and I thought this game was supposed to be friendly to those who take breaks. The only gear available to alleviate this issue was the crafted 740 gear, and there was either none left on the market board, or it was all super expensive. We all spent a mil or two trying trying to get these guys geared just so they could play with us, which also included having to break our party up, hop worlds and check prices in other locations.

We all know from Occult Crescent and Moogle Tombstone events that SE doesn't care about completely breaking the Market Board, so let people trade gear already, unless its from an ultimate or savage run, or obviously relics. And I'll go one further. If SE is worried about keeping people on the "dailies" hamster wheel, then just simply make dungeon gear alone tradeable.

Like no lie when I see "other games" that have strict trade restriction I don't even consider them as an option. It's even one of the reason I dropped D4. FFXI has great trading in that OP items have to be earned. Just use that model, it's already mapped out.

[Ath192]

Dude.. All you have to do is get the crafted gear and trade it to them. It's 740. Less than 5 minutes.

[Connor]

While I can understand things like max-level crafted gear prices could be seen as ‘expensive’ by a newer player…I feel like by the time you reach level 100 you should kinda know that the high values don’t actually reflect high costs. 190,000 Gil is literally pocket change to the majority of players - they could just discard it and it wouldn’t even make a dent in their budget. 1M for the full set, again, is an incredibly tiny amount to the majority.

And to preface, I say this as a chronically poor (and maybe lazy) player with abysmally low stores of Gil. I have maybe 3-4M on my retainers on a good day lol; even I don’t struggle with buying crafting gear. Frankly I even threw some of it away pre-patch for inventory space. Can always just buy it again if necessary.

What gets me is that if you don’t craft/gather literally every component by yourself (or commissioning others), the cost of item production often exceeds the sale price lol.

[Ephremjlm]

Dude.. All you have to do is get the crafted gear and trade it to them. It's 740. Less than 5 minutes.

Dude..... It's like you didn't read what I wrote

[Ephremjlm]

While I can understand things like max-level crafted gear prices could be seen as ‘expensive’ by a newer player…I feel like by the time you reach level 100 you should kinda know that the high values don’t actually reflect high costs. 190,000 Gil is literally pocket change to the majority of players - they could just discard it and it wouldn’t even make a dent in their budget. 1M for the full set, again, is an incredibly tiny amount to the majority.

And to preface, I say this as a chronically poor (and maybe lazy) player with abysmally low stores of Gil. I have maybe 3-4M on my retainers on a good day lol.

Where did I say 1 mil for the full set!? We're talking 700k for a single piece in some instances. Do you people even know what you're talking about before you criticize?

I personally don't craft or gather. It's not fun to me. My retainers don't constantly have 3-4 mill. Maybe 35k-100k. I think when people say this they expect people to play the game as much as they do, and it is completely missing the point that I mentioned. ALL OF US, JUST CAME BACK. Some longer than others and needed full gear sets. You do the math. The cheapest thing we bought yesterday was a single piece for 300k.

[Ath192]

Dude..... It's like you didn't read what I wrote

I did, but it doesn't check out. Crafted gear isn't expensive or hard to get. In fact yelling in Limsa will get you a free set from a good Samaritan in minutes. Worse yet, you come from a break and decide you wanna jump right in to the latest content with zero barriers. How about you guys play the game a little to get gear? A few roulettes as a FC can't hurt.

Because it reads to me as the following:

Hey we logged in after a long break and we wanna play the latest content without catching up immediately because we want to hit it and quit it right away.

[LegendWait]

If item level is preventing players who cant do the bare minimum of gear maintenance from entering a duty, then its working as intended.

Don't want to carry a collection of dead players and make a 45 minutes instance last 75 minutes only for those to get all the cards minion and rolls that they will never enjoy.

Also don't want gear item level to disappear as if all duty should be like unreal fights.

Does that makes me an elite asshole? Probably but at this point its on them to do the bare minimum work to function in the game.

They had weeks of early notice to come back and grind to prepare, its on them.

[Connor]

Where did I say 1 mil for the full set!? We're talking 700k for a single piece in some instances. Do you people even know what you're talking about before you criticize?

I personally don't craft or gather. It's not fun to me. My retainers don't constantly have 3-4 mill. Maybe 35k-100k. I think when people say this they expect people to play the game as much as they do, and it is completely missing the point that I mentioned. ALL OF US, JUST CAME BACK. Some longer than others and needed full gear sets. You do the math. The cheapest thing we bought yesterday was a single piece for 300k.

Ok I’m sorry but in what world is an Ilevel 740 single piece worth 700k?!

Literally every piece is between 100-200K in my server. I genuinely find it hard to believe prices are that inflated across servers.

Are you sure you weren’t looking at the weird augmented gear that’s barely ever in stock except at ridiculous prices? I don’t really think they’re meant to be bought; you can do just as well with the cheaper normal ilvl740 crafted gear.

[Ephremjlm]

Ok I’m sorry but in what world is an Ilevel 740 single piece worth 700k?!

Literally every piece is between 100-200K in my server. I genuinely find it hard to believe prices are that inflated across servers.

Are you sure you weren’t looking at the weird augmented gear that’s barely ever in stock except at ridiculous prices? I don’t really think they’re meant to be bought; you can do just as well with the cheaper normal ilvl740 crafted gear.

Yeah it's insane. There isn't much gear up so my guess is that that is the reason why it's expensive. Some of the Jewlery was literally 1.5 Mil thats why we were hopping worlds.

[Ephremjlm]

I did, but it doesn't check out. Crafted gear isn't expensive or hard to get. In fact yelling in Limsa will get you a free set from a good Samaritan in minutes. Worse yet, you come from a break and decide you wanna jump right in to the latest content with zero barriers. How about you guys play the game a little to get gear? A few roulettes as a FC can't hurt.

Because it reads to me as the following:

Hey we logged in after a long break and we wanna play the latest content without catching up immediately because we want to hit it and quit it right away.

Yeah dude because spamming shout chat for free gear is totally the play. And yeah I DO expect that if we take a short break as established players we should be able to jump back in again. Play the game a little? What do you mean DAILIES? LVL 50 dungeon runs? For weekly capped tombstones? We are all level 100, rotations aren't going to change for this content based on our gear.

Like what are you even going on about? Everything you're saying is ridiculous. If you want to white knight the game there are better ways to do it.