Here we go again

[EusisLandale]

First there are the blade and spike ball telegraphs where the second set of blades and spike balls appear at the same time, 4 seconds after the initial blades telegraph.

The blades do not ever cross paths, at least I've never seen it, normally nor with Serial Torture so the first telegraph is already telegraphing the second. "^_^_" means the other set will be "_v_v", "^^__" means the other is __vv", and so on.
So there's really only three telegraphs to worry about, even if the attack is 4 steps. Cutting redundant actions, in this case checking position for the second blade set, helps with reaction time.

[FlorineC]

The blades do not ever cross paths, at least I've never seen it, normally nor with Serial Torture so the first telegraph is already telegraphing the second. "^_^_" means the other set will be "_v_v", "^^__" means the other is __vv", and so on.
So there's really only three telegraphs to worry about, even if the attack is 4 steps. Cutting redundant actions, in this case checking position for the second blade set, helps with reaction time.

That's a fair point, I hadn't though of it in that way before! Looking at it from that perspective, you have roughly 9 seconds from the second blades being "telegraphed" until they fire.

[Mawlzy]

The blades do not ever cross paths, at least I've never seen it, normally nor with Serial Torture so the first telegraph is already telegraphing the second. "^_^_" means the other set will be "_v_v", "^^__" means the other is __vv", and so on.
So there's really only three telegraphs to worry about, even if the attack is 4 steps. Cutting redundant actions, in this case checking position for the second blade set, helps with reaction time.

I say this not to be argumentative, but to offer support to others who struggle with overlapping AoEs.

Your breakdown above is helpful. I reached I think what is an equivalent conclusion by watching a guide at 0.25x. When I attempted to put this into practice, I found I wasn't even seeing the first barrette-like things until a second or two after they dropped. When I then tried to tie all this together and plan my route, I simply couldn't process the information and then move fast enough.

Based on similar struggles I've had with these kinds of mechanics, I figure somewhere between 50-100 wipes and the muscle memory and timing would develop. (I got to about 15 and lost interest since I've unsubbed anyway.)

People are welcome to view me as a complete idiot and make as much fun as they like, but I'm not lying about this, nor do I have anything like this kind of problem in other games. Moreover - and this will really horrify y'all - I was regarded as the most competent at PvE in my now disbanded FC. The farthest anyone else got was to be gated at Origenics (for similar reasons).

When the BLM changes were explained, it was clear that in 8.0 SE is doubling down on this combat design.

It is true that I could get carried through this duty, or I could spend a weekend developing that muscle memory to find the safe spots. But I think the question players and SE need to ask is: are people who struggle with this specific design choice going to bother jumping through such hoops? My friends all decided paying for a game that they'd always played primarily for the story had simply become a complete PITA. People don't pay to get annoyed. One referred to it as a Ponzi scheme.

I've been told explicitly by several charmers that "your kind" are not wanted in this game, and that I should go play Animal Crossing. I do have ACNH on my Switch, but I still like blowing things up so I'm playing EVE.

It's perfectly legitimate for SE to choose to gate the game in this way. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this is what SE wants, because it is more cost effective to quit pretending they welcome all players to their story-driven MMO.

To those who feel they are reaching their skill limits, I hope you find a solution that satisfies you. And please ignore the buffoons who apparently get their kicks by mocking others. It is, after all, just a game.

Love, peace, fur, double-swish Kat kiss.

[Carin-Eri]

People are welcome to view me as a complete idiot and make as much fun as they like, but I'm not lying about this, nor do I have anything like this kind of problem in other games. Moreover - and this will really horrify y'all - I was regarded as the most competent at PvE in my now disbanded FC. The farthest anyone else got was to be gated at Origenics (for similar reasons).

When the BLM changes were explained, it was clear that in 8.0 SE is doubling down on this combat design.

It is true that I could get carried through this duty, or I could spend a weekend developing that muscle memory to find the safe spots. But I think the question players and SE need to ask is: are people who struggle with this specific design choice going to bother jumping through such hoops? My friends all decided paying for a game that they'd always played primarily for the story had simply become a complete PITA. People don't pay to get annoyed. One referred to it as a Ponzi scheme.

I've been told explicitly by several charmers that "your kind" are not wanted in this game, and that I should go play Animal Crossing. I do have ACNH on my Switch, but I still like blowing things up so I'm playing EVE.

It's perfectly legitimate for SE to choose to gate the game in this way. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if this is what SE wants, because it is more cost effective to quit pretending they welcome all players to their story-driven MMO.

To those who feel they are reaching their skill limits, I hope you find a solution that satisfies you. And please ignore the buffoons who apparently get their kicks by mocking others. It is, after all, just a game.

Love, peace, fur, double-swish Kat kiss.

Same - although I am trying to stop worrying about what others think of me/my performance.

Saying that, much like you, I had someone whom I thought was a friend say this to me once (on Discord):



Which admittedly hurt, because it's not as if I wasn't trying - I really was. Needless to say I'm no longer friends with that person.

I'm, arguably, marginally better at the game now then I was at that time but that wasn't the only time someone judged my performance and it led to my concern about being a burden to any team I join.

[Mawlzy]

Same - although I am trying to stop worrying about what others think of me/my performance.

Saying that, much like you, I had someone whom I thought was a friend say this to me once (on Discord):



Which admittedly hurt, because it's not as if I wasn't trying - I really was. Needless to say I'm no longer friends with that person.

I'm, arguably, marginally better at the game now then I was at that time but that wasn't the only time someone judged my performance and it led to my concern about being a burden to any team I join.

Apart from being horrible, it's striking to me they state they wouldn't report you for lethargic play. Like in all that sea of abuse they're trying to point out how reasonable and kind they are.

Wonder if they actually have any fun playing games?

[Shistar]

Saying that, much like you, I had someone whom I thought was a friend say this to me once (on Discord):



Which admittedly hurt, because it's not as if I wasn't trying - I really was. Needless to say I'm no longer friends with that person.

I'm, arguably, marginally better at the game now then I was at that time but that wasn't the only time someone judged my performance and it led to my concern about being a burden to any team I join.

Dang, just what happened there??? That's seriously mean. "Oh don't worry, I won't report you!" bro...
I'm sorry that happened to you. Although I believe there is room for improvement in everyone's performance, no one has to be this cruel about it. I'm glad you've improved since then and you're working on your mentality, and I hope you keep up the good work!


If you need help, I'm in Phoenix almost weekly these days. Feel free to send me a tell if you see me online!

[Carin-Eri]

Dang, just what happened there??? That's seriously mean. "Oh don't worry, I won't report you!" bro...
I'm sorry that happened to you. Although I believe there is room for improvement in everyone's performance, no one has to be this cruel about it. I'm glad you've improved since then and you're working on your mentality, and I hope you keep up the good work!


If you need help, I'm in Phoenix almost weekly these days. Feel free to send me a tell if you see me online!

Thank you!

As said, I lean toward thinking I've improved a little since that time - I quite recently cleared 'Recollection Extreme' with a group of supportive, and patient, friends who regularly team up on Discord and gave verbal, audio, guidance. They took sympathy on me when I said I'd love to own the QueensKnight Syrinxi but likely never would as I wouldn't be good enough to engage in Ex content, particularly not current (at the time) Ex content.

And to be fair, it did take a few days and numerous attempts for us to clear it - mostly because, due to work and family commitments, I could only spare around two hours at 22:00 each evening to join them.
I guess I'll have to acknowledge that it took a lot of guidance in terms of being told where and when to move but I guess it must've sunk in, as we did clear it: