Here we go again

[Bitmoar]

I’m not here to argue in circles or feed into trolling. I’ve made my point clearly: accessibility isn’t about removing challenge, it’s about making sure the systems designed to support players actually work as intended. If you’re not willing to engage with that in a decent fashion, then there’s really nothing more for me to discuss with you.

The systems are working. You want systems to do an unspecified amount of the work to help people with an unspecified amount of disability or struggle. OP was able to clear with the systems and nature of an MMO (asking for help). So I guess we need to think of those below OP's ability now.

[AlienDiplomat]

So what if "Normal" is too hard for someone?.

Having skimmed through all the elitist trolling garbage in this thread comments like this are supremely ironic.

This is basically saying "what if" the devs and company actually invested the bare minimum back into the game to make content for everyone and failed? Might as well not try at all!

Isn't that "I might fail so I won't try" the non sequitor the entire elitist troll community is hitting the casual base with? "You guys just don't want to try and learn!" Yet here you are, perfectly willing to let AAA veteran game devs off easy with the same "they might fail so don't even try" type rationale.

Maybe if the devs/company aren't able to design content for the average MMO casual as well as elitists they don't deserve to be paid AAA industry standard rates as a reward for failing to do so, and people apologizing for it by saying things like this are not helping anyone.

It is not that difficult to comprehend a need to design multiple tiers of challenge and ensure they actually function for the intended audience. If the devs fail at that or the company refuses to invest in that, it is on them.

[Metaknigh]

At the end of the day, MSQ and everything MSQ related should cause as little friction as possible, so as many people as possible can clear it.

They can and there is as many people as possible. What people want is also requiring their brain cell to play rather than playing a visual novel with one button. This is an MMORPG, some things will be easier to some, some will be harder to others. Please stop dumbing things down and suggesting it because that is not what the majority wants, and the majority is the people actually clearing basic MSQ content.

If people fail it, they can keep trying to go in, they can get friends to help explain if they don't get it, they can look at other dungeons to see how it's done, they can look at the Trust NPCs to see how they dodge things. People can already, keep trying to go in. I don't see what an easier mode can do, infinite rezing sure but I think SE wants players to fall upwards by having them die and learn to avoid, not an unreasonable expectation when all that's lost is a tiny bit of time.

[Darty123]

I dont want to be that guy but I will. This is why nutrition and fitness as you age are so important. There are 60+ year olds still mentally sharp and can run and lift miles because they take care of themselves. these mechanics are not that fast in dungeons

[Mawlzy]

It was an example from another game. In fact 'Normal' was simply the Devs (from that game) not being willing to outright name it "easy" - although that is, essentially, what it was.

Contrast this with solo duties in FFXIV in which, upon failing, one is confronted with "very easy, easy, and normal."

While it is clear that there are abysmally callous posters in this thread, the attitude starts with the studio.

If one of the "git gud, braindead content, skill issue, you just suck" crowd can explain to me how they will be negatively impacted by a DS rez option, I would really like to hear it. Because in the absence of such an explanation... Hmmm. I'd get banned if I completed that thought and I currently have forum permissions for another 18 days.

I'm still waiting.

Oh! Someone suggested NPCs rezzing would lead to botting. No idea if this is true, but if so, already asked and answered. I'd hate for anyone to think lazy casuals were "getting something for free," so make DS under this option a no-loot mode.

[Themarvin]

I actually would encourage much more of this and ways for SE moving the community more towards trying to help others getting it done among so many other things other than maybe making it too easy.

So many past MMO's you had to engage in things and more so having the feel of adventure and also with other players you would encounter and more to it.

One of the things I loved before it all went down to clones of wow and more to it.

Any dungeon today is 2 pulls, boss, 2 pulls, boss, 2 pulls boss.

[Carin-Eri]

There will ALWAYS be someone who can't do something, no matter how accessible you make it. There are already systems in the game to help you if you're struggling. You want invincibility or infinite raises with trusts. That's fine. Just be honest about what you really want. But I have to say stopping there is kind of ableist of you.

Again with that claim! No-one has asked for that!

I mean, so far as Trusts go, I don't care that Trust healers can't raise. My only minor issue with Trusts is that you get sent right back to the start if you die - but you go into a Trust-led dungeon knowing that.

[Ser_Arven]

Having skimmed through all the elitist trolling garbage in this thread comments like this are supremely ironic.

This is basically saying "what if" the devs and company actually invested the bare minimum back into the game to make content for everyone and failed? Might as well not try at all!

Isn't that "I might fail so I won't try" the non sequitor the entire elitist troll community is hitting the casual base with? "You guys just don't want to try and learn!" Yet here you are, perfectly willing to let AAA veteran game devs off easy with the same "they might fail so don't even try" type rationale.

Maybe if the devs/company aren't able to design content for the average MMO casual as well as elitists they don't deserve to be paid AAA industry standard rates as a reward for failing to do so, and people apologizing for it by saying things like this are not helping anyone.

It is not that difficult to comprehend a need to design multiple tiers of challenge and ensure they actually function for the intended audience. If the devs fail at that or the company refuses to invest in that, it is on them.

No one is being elitist. People want multiple tiers of difficulty but this is already normal. It isn't deep dungeon, it isnt varient, it isn't criterion normal or savage. This is as low as it gets and I hate to say it but any extra modes will make it harder not easier.

This is the bare minimum

[Carin-Eri]

Contrast this with solo duties in FFXIV in which, upon failing, one is confronted with "very easy, easy, and normal."

While it is clear that there are abysmally callous posters in this thread, the attitude starts with the studio.

Whilst I agree with you, and have admittedly used those 'easier' settings myself several times, there is a stigma attached to using those that extends outside FFXIV. As demonstrated here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIrLt8d2KKE

[Ankhira]

The systems are working. You want systems to do an unspecified amount of the work to help people with an unspecified amount of disability or struggle. OP was able to clear with the systems and nature of an MMO (asking for help). So I guess we need to think of those below OP's ability now.

You’re continuing to misrepresent what’s being said. The systems don’t work for everyone, and that’s the point. Accessibility isn’t about doing the work for someone it’s about removing unnecessary barriers so they can do the work themselves. If you’re not interested in discussing that, then I’ll leave it there.

You seem completely set in your viewpoint, to the point of twisting others’ words just to fit your narrative. You have your opinion, I have mine—but you should NOT insinuate that I’m being ableist for defending those who are struggling. That’s not just wrong it’s needlessly rude.