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  1. #131
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    Voidmage's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Router View Post
    If they brought back the demiclone system then a harder one-off floor 99 boss makes sense, since demiclones utterly trivialize the fight otherwise. It was a big flaw of the system in EO where demiclones weren't really worth using on normal floors (in a group, anyway) and people tended to just save a bunch of onion knights to kill the 99 boss before it could do anything.

    Dunno if that's the actual reason, but it's a possibility.
    I think the reason is more because they want to “give something new” ti the deep dungeons or because this fight will be an enemy that actually matters compared to the throwaway ones from the deep dungeons before.

    If it is ex difficulty for 4 people then I don’t see a problem honestly.
    If it is another criterion difficulty though then they deserve to be called out for proof that they can’t go one single patch without catering to the hardcore crowd.

    No use speculating right now though imo.
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  2. #132
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniise View Post
    Regarding the 'harder' boss of the Deep Dungeon, did I understand it right that it's not necessary to do it to complete the DD per se, but that it only unlocks as an optional fight after completion of the duty?

    Because that way it would at least not impact a run for let's say a solo player.
    Yes, it doesn't impact solo players. Which is why I'm not as negative about it like other people in here. It's the boss of the 99th floor apparently, just in a 4 man trial version.
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  3. #133
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    Nhaama Kagon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Infindox View Post
    Yes, it doesn't impact solo players. Which is why I'm not as negative about it like other people in here. It's the boss of the 99th floor apparently, just in a 4 man trial version.
    I see I see. That makes it a bit better, then.
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    Me too, Erenville, me too

  4. #134
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    Yeah I wanted to give my reward and respect for communicating, but really there is only one thing they should have been saying it seems.

    "We spent the casual budget on Savage Chaotic and upcoming Savage Deep Dungeon. We are sorry for that, with hindsight, clearly we shouldn't have after the feedback we already had from Endwalker"

    But they didn't say that.
    So the only reason I'm not pissed at them is they are still human and my outrage it so topped out, no one should have to deal with that, and its rolled over to zero again.
    Unbelievable.
    Just sad really.

    I'm a parent so disillusioned, I've disowned them and they are on their own now. Can't help them anymore.
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    Last edited by Gurgeh; 06-20-2025 at 11:26 PM.

  5. #135
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    Clearly its still bounding around in my head.
    We want them to do new content, but when they do we get mad, so what then?

    Well I realise the answer is simple, you just don't get to do any new content, until or unless you have done new casual content that all can access.
    If you can then afford a hard version of said new content only then do you get to go ahead.

    Because I know what's coming later. "When they do innovate you get mad!"
    Well when that innovation is a savage content that is inaccessible and so might as well not exist, well... duh!
    Well when that innovation is a reskinned Deep Dungeon, without a casual static (oxymoron) that you can only do 1/3 of, and the innovation is a Savage end instance, that's not accessible and so might as well not exist, well... duh!

    Its too early to say that it the DD instance will be savage, and require true savage progging. But noone should be surprised if the benefit of the doubt is no longer available, and we'll wait for proof to the contrary rather than the other way around.
    M1-4 (without OP gear) are prof that challenging midcore is possible.
    CE's are proof that challenging midcore is possible. (but you cant then say "thats your lot now, we did a better job of CE's, and so we're taking away 'the set piece'" like Bozja Castrum)

    But you really need to make sure your casual content is engaging. (Like CE's were) and not braindead, like a lot of it has become. Your casual does not consider itself to be the same as the solo plater who wants zero resistance, and just wants to read the quest dialog, and probably just as happy to solo, enjoys just pressing X in fates be they battle or gathering.
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  6. #136
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gurgeh View Post
    Yeah I wanted to give my reward and respect for communicating, but really there is only one thing they should have been saying it seems.

    "We spent the casual budget on Savage Chaotic and upcoming Savage Deep Dungeon. We are sorry for that, with hindsight, clearly we shouldn't have after the feedback we already had from Endwalker"

    But they didn't say that.
    So the only reason I'm not pissed at them is they are still human and my outrage it so topped out, no one should have to deal with that, and its rolled over to zero again.
    Unbelievable.
    Just sad really.

    I'm a parent so disillusioned, I've disowned them and they are on their own now. Can't help them anymore.
    Dude can you please stop crying? I mean for real now, FFXIV is a MMORPGs, MMORPGS are based on ENDGAME Activitys which in 95% of the cases are Challenging Fights if you dont wanna improve or do anything in this Direction, the Game is maybe not for you anymore, we had the past Years only easy laughable fights, now this Expansion goes more in the Direction harder Fights, so accept it or leave the Game.

    Btw its ONE FIGHT in DD which is Savage, the rest of DD is still Casual, and the fact that there is a Fight to unlock is a reason to do DD so maybe the new DD isnt dying so fast like EO did, so at the end its a clearly win for Casuals.
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  7. #137
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    Quote Originally Posted by Infindox View Post
    They are making normal and "savage" for anything else in OC, Forked Tower is screwed though. Gets a premade PF thing but in the end, when they do it in 7.3 it'll just be Discord content again.
    Odd that they’re going to do it for Magic and leave Blood as is… we get the next relic step in 7.3, but when will North Horn come out? 7.4? That’s not enough time to just duplicate FTB and tweak the settings for a Normal mode, while adding in the PF option for the current one? Oh well, I guess it’ll be easier to get a discord group to go with at least, but I doubt I’ll be able to get it done before North Horn and I’m still upset with the field notes/TT card being in non-story-mode.
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  8. #138
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra View Post
    when will North Horn come out? 7.4?
    All the way off in 7.55
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  9. #139
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra View Post
    Odd that they’re going to do it for Magic and leave Blood as is… we get the next relic step in 7.3, but when will North Horn come out? 7.4? That’s not enough time to just duplicate FTB and tweak the settings for a Normal mode, while adding in the PF option for the current one? Oh well, I guess it’ll be easier to get a discord group to go with at least, but I doubt I’ll be able to get it done before North Horn and I’m still upset with the field notes/TT card being in non-story-mode.
    7.3 will see the ability to enter South Horn with a group of 48 players. It will also have changes to the spawn weather so it doesn't spawn during a CE.
    7.45 will be new Phantom Jobs
    7.55 will be North Horn, new tower (normal/hard) and new Phantom Jobs.
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  10. #140
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    For the DD 99th floor boss, I guess it's like a Criterion boss ? This will all depends on what type of reward is behind it. But my actual guess is that it'll be like EX difficulty.

    But I can't believe I'm saying this : I think in terms of cost, a harder dungeon boss is not the same as a whole ass raid.
    And there is no "casual budget". Things don't work that way.
    People gotta stop trying to make themselves angry if they wanna give actual feedback, of which there is plenty to give, a hell of a lot to criticize in this game and about communication.

    Quote Originally Posted by CidHeiral View Post
    Forked Tower isn't getting a normal mode but they're going to try to include one for the raid in the next zone.
    Thanks for clarifying ! Bit of a shame for Blood tbh. Unless they somehow release a NM at the same time as North Horn, but would be weird.
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