Difficult experience in Forked Tower – a reminder to respect public content

[RuriStone]

Nobody has any idea what the intention of the development team is. I'm not sure why you continue to repeat this like it is gospel.

I can only speak for the group I cleared with. We politely explained our purpose on every occasion and provided an invite to our discord if they expressed interest in joining future runs. In almost all of these cases players were co-operative and stepped out. Some of them even joined the future runs. It's a good experience when there are actual courteous, social people involved in these situations.

It's pretty obvious they intended for anyone who'd reached a certain point in OC to join in with the content, that's why it's designed to allow that to happen.

I'm having to repeat myself again and tell you that it's not courteous to ask people to leave an instance that they have earned their right to because the 'elite few' who have cleared it and learned the mechanics now believe that those in the same position that they were in previously i.e being new to a dungeon don't deserve the same courtesy they themselves were given when they played for the first time.

[YovelaLindswood]

The other thing is that this wall of communication in-game makes casual people who wanna try hard content a thousand times more anxious, because savage players will blacklist you for "no apparent reason" and exclude you, they can't say why because of the threat of getting reported. Most people who want to get into hardcore content go elsewhere for support (We got a massive amount of youtube content creators that can teach you to play any class, any encounter, any role) and if you ask nicely and are interested in doing any type of content 99% of the people will help you.

It genuinely sucks its that way too. As a toxic sweat myself I can 100% say I would be so much happier if I could genuinely help players instead of having to hold it in. I got a talking to by a gm once for trying to teach a healer how to heal around my class to maximize their dps and said screw it guess i'm not helpful anymore.

[Aviatorhead]

Nobody has any idea what the intention of the development team is. I'm not sure why you continue to repeat this like it is gospel.

I am mostly wondering as I've seen your idea expressed by others. But why would the developers design the entry system this way (where more ciphers gives you a greater chance at a spot) if 'sniping' wasn't intended? What else would this system be for? Like they are not that dumb, it would have been easier, probably, to not have to develope the cipher system and just do a normal way to queue it.

[Supersnow845]

It's pretty obvious they intended for anyone who'd reached a certain point in OC to join in with the content, that's why it's designed to allow that to happen.

I'm having to repeat myself again and tell you that it's not courteous to ask people to leave an instance that they have earned their right to because the 'elite few' who have cleared it and learned the mechanics now believe that those in the same position that they were in previously i.e being new to a dungeon don't deserve the same courtesy they themselves were given when they played for the first time.

If that was so clearly the design intention then why is the raid explicitly designed that if you do it this way all it’s going to lead to is everyone blowing up on the first boss and de-levelling

This raid doesn’t even really allow you to just throw your head against the wall and hope everyone is at a similar prog point, it specifically requires multiple parties to dance around each other in precise organised ways. You are never going to get that with random just walking up and partying together even if all 48 of you luck into a similar prog point

[Neclord]

It's pretty obvious they intended for anyone who'd reached a certain point in OC to join in with the content, that's why it's designed to allow that to happen.

I'm having to repeat myself again and tell you that it's not courteous to ask people to leave an instance that they have earned their right to because the 'elite few' who have cleared it and learned the mechanics now believe that those in the same position that they were in previously i.e being new to a dungeon don't deserve the same courtesy they themselves were given when they played for the first time.

By that logic, it's okay for me to join Savage/Ultimate kill parties in PF when I've had no prior experience in them simply because the game allows me to join them. I've unlocked the Savage and Ultimate fights so I've earned my right to join these kill parties. If they tell me off, remove me and blacklist me, they are ruining my first experience with the content.

When you realise just how much of the game is governed by social etiquette, you'll realise that the entrance to the dungeon being a glowy platform does not make this behaviour any less disruptive, discourteous and anti-social.

These discords are not "elite" - they are social, collaborative spaces that include myriad players from a variety of backgrounds and content preferences. All are welcome to them. The prerequisite is that you are a social, collaborative person. If you find those two qualities to be "elite" then it says much more about you than it does about them.

[RuriStone]

probably to make the content more difficult and last longer than a week.

[0blivion]

Man, it's so obvious that nobody who is demonizing discords here has ever set foot in the tower as a non-sniper and gotten past boss 2. Guess why? You can't do fire towers unless you're organized. Oh, you don't know what fire towers are? Cool, then join a newbie group on a discord. There's like 5 newbie runs a day at all times of the day. People are nice to you when you don't insist on being a griefing parasite.

But if you wanna keep going, be my guest: you're not a party member, you're not getting raised.

[YovelaLindswood]

Man, it's so obvious that nobody who is demonizing discords here has ever set foot in the tower as a non-sniper and gotten past boss 2. Guess why? You can't do fire towers unless you're organized. Oh, you don't know what fire towers are? Cool, then join a newbie group on a discord. There's like 5 newbie runs a day at all times of the day. People are nice to you when you don't insist on being a griefing parasite.

But if you wanna keep going, be my guest: you're not a party member, you're not getting raised.

Yeah its the least pugable forced pug content i've ever seen in any game i've ever played lol. I remember the drama around getting spit out by ozma but this kinda takes the cake. Also as someone who helped host drs groups in the way back I can also say the discords are usually fairly mellow with a bunch of players who just want to get the dub without drama. I wish people would stop treating being social, having the personal responsibility to learn what you need to, and coordinating ahead of time like the plague. If you're excuse is social anxiety I hate to break it to you but the only real way to get over that is to put yourself out there and force yourself into it. Talking from experience.

[RuriStone]

Fact is if you really were sociable you would be against what OP experienced as well. They were treated badly and rudely and the only people who would want to join in playing with players like that believe they literally have no other choice. It's sad.

[Neclord]

I am mostly wondering as I've seen your idea expressed by others. But why would the developers design the entry system this way (where more ciphers gives you a greater chance at a spot) if 'sniping' wasn't intended? What else would this system be for? Like they are not that dumb, it would have been easier, probably, to not have to develope the cipher system and just do a normal way to queue it.

It's a good question and sadly one I don't have an answer for. I am not in the head of the development team. The people that are suggesting that sniping organised runs is the obvious design intention are also not in the heads of the development team and cannot know that they're right on that front.

Field Operations is much more socially involved as far as content goes, so I'd speculate they assumed players would be social and collaborative when it comes to the content - which is why people have naturally congregated around forming discords and planning runs after meeting in game and spreading knowledge of these runs ingame through word of mouth. The devs clearly did not account for how anti-social some of the playerbase are. That was their biggest mistake.