Difficult experience in Forked Tower – a reminder to respect public content

[RuriStone]

Fact is if you really were sociable you would be against what OP experienced as well. They were treated badly and rudely and the only people who would want to join in playing with players like that believe they literally have no other choice. It's sad.

[YovelaLindswood]

Fact is if you really were sociable you would be against what OP experienced as well. They were treated badly and rudely and the only people who would want to join in playing with players like that believe they literally have no other choice. It's sad.

Counterpoint: op was politely asked not to join their group run and warned they wouldn't be raised ahead of time. Then took to the forums to complain that they followed through. If it were me i'd let them know I looked at the mechanics ahead of time and ask if they would be cool with me joining if I joined their call for callouts and coordination. If they're cool with it i'd join, if not i'd wait for the next one or find a group running it. Part of being sociable is respecting other people and having sympathy for them because of the insane entry requirements of the content. It may seem like standing up for the little guy is the right thing to do but at the same time, given the evidence presented through the forum post, they made no effort to be sociable. Nor should the behavior of prioritizing one persons experience over a group of 48 peoples experiences normalized. While its rude for one person to buster another person, its also rude to waste 48 other peoples time(including the potential person whose spot they potentially sniped) because they didn't feel like respecting anyone else on that pad. No they don't own the content. But no they don't have to leave a red herring in their group that could potentially waste an hour of prep work.

[RuriStone]

Counterpoint: op was politely asked not to join their group run and warned they wouldn't be raised ahead of time. Then took to the forums to complain that they followed through. If it were me i'd let them know I looked at the mechanics ahead of time and ask if they would be cool with me joining if I joined their call for callouts and coordination. If they're cool with it i'd join, if not i'd wait for the next one or find a group running it. Part of being sociable is respecting other people and having sympathy for them because of the insane entry requirements of the content. It may seem like standing up for the little guy is the right thing to do but at the same time, given the evidence presented through the forum post, they made no effort to be sociable. Nor should the behavior of prioritizing one persons experience over a group of 48 peoples experiences normalized. While its rude for one person to buster another person, its also rude to waste 48 other peoples time(including the potential person whose spot they potentially sniped) because they didn't feel like respecting anyone else on that pad. No they don't own the content. But no they don't have to leave a red herring in their group that could potentially waste an hour of prep work.

What if they wanted to try it blind? you don't HAVE to play the game reading guides, watching vids etc that's not a requirement. If you aren't even aware of what the content involves because you are new to it how is this fair? Like I said to Nec earlier courtesy is given to you guys when you're new but you can't repay the favour to other newbies? how is that fair, courteous or sociable? It's not.

[AvoSturmfaust]

What if they wanted to try it blind? you don't HAVE to play the game reading guides, watching vids etc that's not a requirement. If you aren't even aware of what the content involves because you are new to it how is this fair? Like I said to Nec earlier courtesy is given to you guys when you're new but you can't repay the favour to other newbies? how is that fair, courteous or sociable? It's not.

Wrong, if 47 People agree on watching a Guide but you dont like it, its your fault and you have to stay away, its the same with Savage, if i write in my PF Description "watch a guide not blind" and people joining which wanna do the content blind, they are griefing my experience and time, if a majority agrees on something you have to follow it too, if you dont like it dont join

[Akivar]

So if 23 people in a alliance raid decide that they are going to watch a guide before continuing, but 1 doesn't, would you also agree with this? Should that one person, in public content, have to spil themselves because the other people in public content do?
I think if this was any other content you would not agree with your stance.
This isnt a static group, its PUBLIC content. It is open to the masses. Next you'll be demanding people join a discord for fates because others want them too.
It is not the discord communities content, they get no say.

[aiqa]

op was politely asked not to join their group run

You might be projecting your own reference frame on others a bit to much. "Please don't snipe" isn't overly descriptive for casual players who has no idea what is going on with the content. They see something pop up and might want to have a look what is going on. That casual player might just think: "I am not sniping anything... whatever that means. I'm just having a look what this thing is about. By all means go ahead, I wont bother you." If you want to organize group runs in the current environment and mechanics. It's your own responsibility to clearly communicate, at the very least.

And even when communicated clearly, it's against the TOS for tanks to intentionally kill other players with TB's. "I told them not to queue up" is not a valid defense.

[Supersnow845]

You might be projecting your own reference frame on others a bit to much. "Please don't snipe" isn't overly descriptive for casual players who has no idea what is going on with the content. They see something pop up and might want to have a look what is going on. That casual player they might just think: "I am not sniping anything... whatever that means. I'm just having a look what this thing is about. By all means go ahead, I wont bother you." If you want to organize group runs in the current environment and mechanics. It's your own responsibility to clearly communicate, at the very least.

And even when communicated clearly, it's against the TOS for tanks to intentionally kill other players with TB's. "I told them not to queue up" is not a valid defense.

They also clearly explained that the content is too difficult for randoms and that they wouldn’t be able to progress

Not to mention that the tankbuster in question is a cleave designed to be faced in a particular direction, OP fully acknowledges they didn’t really know the fight beforehand and the person from the raid said that they stood where they shouldn’t

Am I allowed to report a tank for standing behind them during a cleave tankbuster

You are right that the “we ask you to please not snipe” is very much a “only people who actually do discord runs are going to understand exactly what you mean” but nor were they intentionally impolite

[aiqa]

They also clearly explained that the content is too difficult for randoms and that they wouldn’t be able to progress

Not to mention that the tankbuster in question is a cleave designed to be faced in a particular direction, OP fully acknowledges they didn’t really know the fight beforehand and the person from the raid said that they stood where they shouldn’t

Am I allowed to report a tank for standing behind them during a cleave tankbuster

You are right that the “we ask you to please not snipe” is very much a “only people who actually do discord runs are going to understand exactly what you mean” but nor were they intentionally impolite

They also said it was fine if others wanted to join: "if you join anyway that is fine". For me that doesn't quite translate into "and we'll intentionally kill you with a TB if you dare join our run". When saying it's fine if others want to join, there is very little high ground left for them. That "fine" was probably a passive aggressive "not fine" in hindsight, but that is just another communication fail from that discord group.

And intent is the important thing for getting killed by tank cleaves. If someone stands behind a cleave, that is on them. But if a tank obviously runs to someone to pull the cleave on them, that is very different. I wasn't there, so I can't say what happened. But IF it was the later like OP claims "I was intentionally killed by a tank who moved into me during the tank buster", that seems against the TOS. That tank would need a very good explanation for why that cleave had to be exactly where those others were standing. If it was the former, something to try avoid next time.

[Supersnow845]

They also said it was fine if others wanted to join: "if you join anyway that is fine". For me that doesn't quite translate into "and we'll intentionally kill you with a TB if you dare join our run". When saying it's fine if others want to join, there is very little high ground left for them. That "fine" was probably a passive aggressive "not fine" in hindsight, but that is just another communication fail from that discord group.

And intent is the important thing for getting killed by tank cleaves. If someone stands behind a cleave, that is on them. But if a tank obviously runs to someone to pull the cleave on them, that is very different. I wasn't there, so I can't say what happened. But IF it was the later like OP claims "I was intentionally killed by a tank who moved into me during the tank buster", that seems against the TOS. That tank would need a very good explanation for why that cleave had to be exactly where those others were standing. If it was the former, something to try avoid next time.

“If you join anyway that’s fine we will have to leave you on the floor”. That is frank and easy to understand. They can’t tell you “you can’t join”, people in this thread have meticulously combed over the TOS to explain why you can’t outright say “you can’t join” but they have gotten as far as they can say basically amounting to “we can’t stop you but it isn’t in your best interest”

And as for the TB I know which TB it is and it’s one where the parties have to squeeze into a small space that feels unsafe to waste a massive amount of the arena to point a cleave where the big part of the “wasted” arena “feels” safe because of the required positioning of the following mechanic. That area is rather hectic. It seems to me it’s far more likely OP (understandably) went to the safe “feeling” side of the arena trying to stay alive and got cleaved by the TB being required to be pointed that way

I personally am 100% not a good enough tank to be in that mechanic and figure out a way to intentionally cleave only OP, still resolve the mechanic correctly for everyone else and be in the right position with my party for the next mechanic unless it played out similarly to how I explained above, but I’m also not a savage quality tank so mileage may vary

[aiqa]

“If you join anyway that’s fine we will have to leave you on the floor”. That is frank and easy to understand. They can’t tell you “you can’t join”, people in this thread have meticulously combed over the TOS to explain why you can’t outright say “you can’t join” but they have gotten as far as they can say basically amounting to “we can’t stop you but it isn’t in your best interest”

That is again, depends on your reference frame. I would not understand the nuances of joining the raid from just those lines. To me that seems more like a "yeah you can join, but we'll just do our own thing so don't expect much help". And that happens in the whole exploration zone. People not really understanding the fights are dying left and right, and on the more messy fights half of them are dead by the end. Extrapolating that to the raid doesn't seem farfetched.

You can very much just state what you want to do with the raid, without going against the TOS, and without making it open to interpretation. You could say something like "To the people queuing up for this raid. We want to try do this as a premade group, we spend hours planning and preparing for it. This is extremely difficult content. Any random people joining will most likely cause it all to fail for everyone. We ask for your consideration. If you feel up to the challenge, and want to join future runs, join us on discord/xxxxx". If people really spend hours preparing, they could spend 5 minutes coming up with some communication to paste in chat.