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  1. #361
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirShady View Post
    Yes! I would love to discuss the latter part of the story. Especially because...
    Sareel Ja does
    whisper something about listening in early on when Galool Ja Ja is giving out instructions to all the claimants. I'll have to go find the exact quote later. But the idea that he was skulking around looking for information about this contest, especially since it involves the Golden City, makes sense. During one scene where Zoraal walks off, Sareel mutters to himself something along the lines of "even if you don't claim the throne, I will have the power of the golden city." Or something, again I'd have to go find it. And there's rumors of a great power within the Golden City from... a nebulous source, it sounds like it could just be a folk tale, or possibly mentioned by someone else. It's unclear.

    The pressure to succeed thing is hinted at early one when people keep bringing up that he's the Resilient Son and that he's super strong and special and blah blah. But Zoraal is being all stoic so he doesn't show that it bothers him. The second hint is when Krile looks at him and is able to more or less see into his soul, and see that he harbors a deep hatred of Wuk Lamat. (Relateable for some people, I'm sure.) She mentions this after the cooking contest, where again Zoraal just looks in Wuk's direction for a few seconds and walks off without saying a word. We also know that he feels he needs to best his father because this is what finally causes him to lose the whole competition -- he fights the shade of Gulool Ja Ja in Mamook, and the Elector specifically calls out that it was stupid of him to deny his retainer's involvement. (The retainer is Sareel, so the implication is that Zoraal forbade him from interfering in the fight.) And, after getting his ass beat, Zoraal decided to try to kill the Elector to take the stone, and got his ass beat again by the shade of his father for it, and then he was disqualified. This is the first time we actually hear of Zoraal Ja showing a lot of emotion, and it's pretty much all anger and hatred in that moment.

    We don't find out for 100% that it does bother him until he's actually dying, and even then that's 30 years later -- it's possible he's just been sitting in his tower getting more and more pissed off at his father and his people for three decades. But that's speculation because we needed to know Wuk Lamat is scared of the transfer pads in Solution Nine, or something. Or hell the story is super long keep all the Wuk stuff in but give us a scene where Zoraal is brooding over how much his hate is festering.
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  2. #362
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    Ellisar Loravalur
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    I don't know.. Kathryn doens't sound like the over woke type.


    edit: she is woke af
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    Last edited by Elissar; 11-18-2024 at 11:00 AM.
    hope is the first step on the road to disappointment

  3. #363
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    Kate is absolutely woke, but that's besides the topic point.
    On topic: I got annoyed with the constant "okay Wuk don't do this thing." Followed by "I never do that thing!!" And the the thing immediately happens. Haha isn't that just freaking hilarious.
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  4. #364
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    You must be a nick Fuentes fan or a sneako fan, or maybe Tim pool they all kinda start to blend in these so called macho men who look more soy than your average woman.

    Also Wuk Lamat didn't like her at first but she grew on me after around the lvl 53 quest. I do like Koana more though sad he doesn't tag along later on.
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  5. #365
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    This is usually how it goes, someone comes along who takes their criticism too far into off topic territory and then all the people who oppose those critcisms use that to invalidate everyone else who has found the Wuk Lamat adventures to be annoying and boring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZodaSoda View Post
    This is usually how it goes, someone comes along who takes their criticism too far into off topic territory and then all the people who oppose those critcisms use that to invalidate everyone else who has found the Wuk Lamat adventures to be annoying and boring.
    --Or, this is the second expansion in a row where the focus is on an androgynous/masculine female "girlboss" who is a leader/putative monarch, (starting coincidentally when Kathryn Cwynar was promoted); combined with the poor plot and annoying writing, some people are putting the pieces together to understand what created this situation.

    Even the shareholders are demanding to know what's going on, especially after the flop of DIE infested Forspoken caused the closing of Luminous Productions.
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    Last edited by TKOtheKDR; 07-01-2024 at 01:55 PM.

  8. #367
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    Quote Originally Posted by TKOtheKDR View Post
    --Or, this is the second expansion in a row where the focus is on a masculine/androgynous female "girlboss" who is a leader/putative monarch, (starting coincidentally when Kathryn Cwynar was promoted); combined with the poor plot and annoying writing, some people are putting the pieces together to understand what created this situation.
    This is basically the Naruto expansion though. The more you realize how accurate that statement is, the more you will see how bad of a ride we are in right now.

    Pretty much Wuk is Naruto, but way less Gigachad than Naruto. I don't think anything you are talking about will change the fact that we are in a Naruto expansion.
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  9. #368
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    I can't believe Final Fantasy XIV made an entire expansion focused on Jar Jar Binks.
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  10. #369
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    Quote Originally Posted by CosmoBabylonia View Post
    This is basically the Naruto expansion though. The more you realize how accurate that statement is, the more you will see how bad of a ride we are in right now.

    Pretty much Wuk is Naruto, but way less Gigachad than Naruto. I don't think anything you are talking about will change the fact that we are in a Naruto expansion.
    I don't watch anime. Is Naruto a scumbag with unearned entitlement that achieves his goal despite not deserving it because the writers are pushing a political agenda?
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  11. #370
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    Kate has as much power over the story as Koji Fox did, dismissing her involvement in the writing is silly. She's responsible for making the faeries non-binary in the English script while they're all female in other languages.
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