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    Quote Originally Posted by EdenElsewhere View Post
    and I have yet to see any actually decent argument proposed in favor of keeping the stockings genderlocked/varianted.
    And I have yet to see any FACTUAL argument for why gear shouldn't be genderlocked if DEVs choose so.
    All I see (and that is of course legitimate) "I and a few others want this, so this is right".

    So lets just drop this ridiculous pretense of "I have arguments, you do not" and express that what we really want: a wish according to personal taste.

    I am not against them unlocking the gear but I am also not sad when they do not do so.
    Quote Originally Posted by EdenElsewhere View Post
    5. You can literally go look at Lenna. In Yoshitaka Amano's artwork she is either wearing stockings, or only her undies.
    SHE being the operative word here. So for all intents and purposes that would be accurate to the cosplay. Do you see males running around like it in the artwork? Then you'd have an objective argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    SHE being the operative word here. So for all intents and purposes that would be accurate to the cosplay. Do you see males running around like it in the artwork? Then you'd have an objective argument.
    They didn't change the other outfits to be more feminine on women, so they shouldn't have changed Lenna's outfit to be more masculine on men. There were three different options of varying masculine & feminine styles to choose from already. The idea "women should dress skimpily and men should dress modestly" is sexist, full stop.

    I'm not against sexy glams or Amano's style, but if you make erotic gear and lock it to women, that's an objectification of women, personal taste be damned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evermomo View Post
    if you make erotic gear and lock it to women, that's an objectification of women, personal taste be damned.
    I agree though I do not think it would be any less objectifying going on of they made it sexy for both genders. Both would be equally objectified.
    Apart from the fact that not every man finds this style of clothing "sexy" and I do not know of any women that would find the thing in question sexy on men. :'D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    I agree though I do not think it would be any less objectifying going on of they made it sexy for both genders. Both would be equally objectified.
    Apart from the fact that not every man finds this style of clothing "sexy" and I do not know of any women that would find the thing in question sexy on men. :'D
    You know different women than I do. But that's what I mean-- gender alone doesn't predict preference. And if the tights are objectifying, then it's rude to give them to women in the first place.

    But I don't agree that they are. Clothes on their own don't mistreat or degrade anybody, and it's possible to dress like Lenna, or design clothes like Lenna's, for fun and for expression. But since I believe that, I want everybody to have the equal opportunity to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evermomo View Post
    Clothes on their own don't mistreat or degrade anybody, and it's possible to dress like Lenna, or design clothes like Lenna's, for fun and for expression.
    Aye, it's always context that matters
    Women getting stockings and a plate-kini as battle gear? I'd call that objectifying, since it makes 0 sense even in world.
    Doesn't matter if males get a plate-kini too.

    I loved when the quest criticized Urianger's rather revealing attire in Endwalker? I think it was?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    And I have yet to see any FACTUAL argument for why gear shouldn't be genderlocked if DEVs choose so.
    All I see (and that is of course legitimate) "I and a few others want this, so this is right".

    So lets just drop this ridiculous pretense of "I have arguments, you do not" and express that what we really want: a wish according to personal taste.

    I am not against them unlocking the gear but I am also not sad when they do not do so.

    SHE being the operative word here. So for all intents and purposes that would be accurate to the cosplay. Do you see males running around like it in the artwork? Then you'd have an objective argument.
    You would have an actual point if the other outfits weren't already a 1 to 1 recreation on both sexes.

    or if there was any gender variation on any of the other outfits in the occult crescent. From my immediate knowledge, there isn't.
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