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    Jeeqbit's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jestigeress View Post
    What a surprise you pushing your false narrative again
    I assume you're referring to me. It's not a false narrative. It's beyond doubt now. Even linear regression supports that the drop rates are higher than you believe - because I put the amount of FATEs/CEs for each drop in an excel table to see.

    For me for example in 100+ hours I have 1 Demiatma, with a mixture in Both OC and open world
    I struggle to believe that you have spent 100 hours in there and only got 1 Atma, unless you didn't do much in there or only did FATEs. I literally get an Atma every 3-5 CEs, in most cases, every single day I'm in there. I don't think any of the other responders in that post said they only got 1, and usually that was in way less time than you've spent. And a lot of the comments agreed the drops were better from CEs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    I assume you're referring to me. It's not a false narrative. It's beyond doubt now. Even linear regression supports that the drop rates are higher than you believe - because I put the amount of FATEs/CEs for each drop in an excel table to see.

    I struggle to believe that you have spent 100 hours in there and only got 1 Atma, unless you didn't do much in there or only did FATEs. I literally get an Atma every 3-5 CEs, in most cases, every single day I'm in there. I don't think any of the other responders in that post said they only got 1, and usually that was in way less time than you've spent. And a lot of the comments agreed the drops were better from CEs.
    Just because you have ignorance over the matter you continue to be disingenuous with your claims and often you let your own prejudiced bias cloud your judgement. Which is reflective in limited sample data which isn't enough to support the conclusion that demiatma's are at 20% drop rate it only supports the fact that those with better rng will have a drop rate above 5%-20%... Just because you have better luck in Atma drops means only that you have better Luck on those drops. Plain truth it isn't enough to support your conclusion. It's also deceptive and ignorant to think that what the Lucky drops you a few others have gotten is reflective of what the actual stats of the drops are, because again it is a limited sample size.

    You may disagree with the experiences i have had which is also reflective in the data you collected which still doesn't account for outliers that have said they are not getting the same drops as you. It is very deceptive to ignore those with lower drops to just support your false claim. All that is reflective of is your bad science and weak hypothesis.
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    Kurotora Iga
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jestigeress View Post
    Just because you have ignorance over the matter you continue to be disingenuous with your claims and often you let your own prejudiced bias cloud your judgement. Which is reflective in limited sample data which isn't enough to support the conclusion that demiatma's are at 20% drop rate it only supports the fact that those with better rng will have a drop rate above 5%-20%... Just because you have better luck in Atma drops means only that you have better Luck on those drops. Plain truth it isn't enough to support your conclusion. It's also deceptive and ignorant to think that what the Lucky drops you a few others have gotten is reflective of what the actual stats of the drops are, because again it is a limited sample size.

    You may disagree with the experiences i have had which is also reflective in the data you collected which still doesn't account for outliers that have said they are not getting the same drops as you. It is very deceptive to ignore those with lower drops to just support your false claim. All that is reflective of is your bad science and weak hypothesis.
    You didn't spend 100 hours in South Horn and just getting 1, that is misinformation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themarvin View Post
    You didn't spend 100 hours in South Horn and just getting 1, that is misinformation.
    My exact words were this ... "For me for example in 100+ hours I have 1 Demiatma, with a mixture in Both OC and open world"

    I can understand you wanting to be disingenuous and take my words out of context... but I never said I spent 100 hours in OC.

    I also said this "Added info: I got my sole drop on open World DT fate so based on that singular drop I would have to say open world will be less then 1% and for OC it would be 0%. It also is a bit unusual how the drops occur were in open world if you group up or if any others are at the same fate your chances drop even more. You can say that might be RNG or there maybe an underlined, issue for how the drops are happening in DT Fates. Same could be said for OC drops and chest rewards while my Atma drops have been awful, but I have gotten very lucky with the Phantom Job stones (I only need 1 more to have all those Job stones), and the gear upgrade drops were as others are not as lucky."

    I have only spent at most 30 hours out of 100 + in OC while I did not get one Atma I gotten 50 Aether Spun Gold, and 30 X-Fixatives and all but one of the Job Stones... but that is just my RNG and that can be different for many players in there
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    Last edited by Jestigeress; 06-09-2025 at 03:11 AM. Reason: added context

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    Sunie Dakwhil
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themarvin View Post
    You didn't spend 100 hours in South Horn and just getting 1, that is misinformation.
    It's mathematically possible. Probable? I'll let you do the precise math and set your thresholds I guess.
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