Demiatma drop rates are unacceptable

[CaptainLagbeard]

The biggest issue is needing 3 of every type of Demiatma... Rather than just forcing us to grind 18 of them with questionable odds, you need to get 6 sets of 3 with absolutely horrible rates.

[AvoSturmfaust]

To be honest, i maxed out now 7 Jobs and im still missing 3 Atmas, so im not a huge fan of the Droprate BUT since its a 1time step and not required for every Relic im fine with it, thats how Relics should be, the one time step should be a pain in the ass and take a while (after all what the next step comes in how many months 5?) while the step to aquire the weapon then is a tomestone thing, i kinda like it it involves both worlds easy tomestones and hard grind

[Jestigeress]

Better than you who keep using "disingenuous" when arguing with people. You're basically invalidating everyone you disagree with. Guess who's the condescending now?

Also, if you want to make shit up, at least make it more believable.

NO sport that is you self projecting...
What ways have i invalidated anyone i simply said stated that its an issue of RNG and its inconsistency. If you got good luck you got done faster if your luck is awful your progress could be non existent for the time invested. I disagreed with the statement that the Drop rate average is 20% for the simple fact it is RNG. I never once said what others got as their drops was not true. Simply put I gave my experiences as an example to contrary and proof that the RNG causes inconsistency as is its nature. If you wish to discount my experiences how they happened for me then your the one invalidating here.

Just because I had a different experience in drops doesn't make what others received is wrong. Nor is what i experienced wrong ether it is just different!

[Mikey_R]

NO sport that is you self projecting...
What ways have i invalidated anyone i simply said stated that its an issue of RNG and its inconsistency. If you got good luck you got done faster if your luck is awful your progress could be non existent for the time invested. I disagreed with the statement that the Drop rate average is 20% for the simple fact it is RNG. I never once said what others got as their drops was not true. Simply put I gave my experiences as an example to contrary and proof that the RNG causes inconsistency as is its nature. If you wish to discount my experiences how they happened for me then your the one invalidating here.

Just because I had a different experience in drops doesn't make what others received is wrong. Nor is what i experienced wrong ether it is just different!

To show how full of rubbish you are, let’s go through every post you have made and how you have inaccurately portrayed OC.

The first 2 posts here: Post #28 and Post #3. Both of these are just claims that the drop rate is a lie, not much here.

Our first claims about the content then come from Post #123. To summarise, 100 hours in OC and open world FATEs, only 1 demiatma, almost all job stones and almost enough material to max 1 gear set. Not even Knowledge level 20.

In this post alone, if you have spend 100 hours purely on Fates/CEs, you will have gotten more than 1 demiatma. It is a statistical impossibility that that is the case. There is also the fact you claim to have enough upgrade materials for a full set of OC gear, the amount of Fates/CEs required would get you to KL20 easily, unless you have been constantly dying and returning rather than being revived, which no sane person would do.

Now, we move onto Post #135. The start is roughly the same as the previous, but we have more claims later, namely, the 45 Aetherspun Gold. Considering, this is only dropped from chests, it shows you have likely been grinding them out, which means you have not been focusing on the FATEs/CEs at all. However, that isn’t even the best bit. You then claim to have 27 X-Fixatives, an item you can ONLY obtain by doing Forked Tower, which you can only do at KL20, which you have claimed to never have hit. It is a direct contradiction to your previous statements.

There is then a deleted post, then Post #137, which has nothing.

Post #139 then bashes the data that is right in front of them. One statement that is telling is that it doesn’t account for outliers. Which might be true, but the problem is, your outliers are so far out, that are a statistical impossibility.

Post #141 then makes the same claims in regards to Aetherspun Gold and X-Fixatives. However, the count is higher, which means you have farmed more of it. I am also going to assume you still aren’t KL20.

Now we get a bit more info on OC, Post #146 details how you have spent ~30 hours in OC. You say you should be KL20, but returned a few times early on and are still at KL9, if you have been going at FATEs/CEs consistently, you would be a much higher level.

However, the most damning bit of evidence comes in the next paragraph. Aetherspun gold drops from CEs at a 55% average drop chance? I should be swimming in them considering I have done 173 CEs at this point. I have 1, from a chest. The only place you can get them is a chest, they do not drop from CEs (it is a statistical impossibility for a 55% drop chance to fail 173 times). Then, onto X-Fixatives, 100% drop chance from silver chests? Don’t be silly, I have opened a fre silver chests and have exactly 0 X-Fixatives. Again, you have to do Forked Tower to get X-Fixatives.

And, to complete the list up to this point, Post #153. Again, just dismissing people because they do not believe you, which, at this point, can you blame them?

So, to go over it all, you claim to have 30 hours in OC and not hit KL20, which means you have not been pursuing FATEs/CEs, the main way to get KLs. However, you also claim to have almost enough upgrade materials to max out the OC gear, which requires an absolute ton of silver, not only to buy the gear, but to upgrade it as well. As a reference, I only have 2 sets of Aetherspun Silver to collect to get a set to +1 and have almost mastered 7 jobs. You then claim to have X-Fixatives, which require Forked Tower, however, you have never hit KL20, which is a requirement to enter. You then claimed that Aetherspun Gold drops from CEs and X-Fixatives drop from Silver chests, both of which are false. Not to mention, if you are hyper fixating on chests, which you appear to be doing, you aren’t engaging in the FATEs/CEs which drop the demiatmas in the first place.

However, we can also extrapolate that you have spent 70 hours in DT zones and got 1 drop. I maxed out Kozamuka Shared Fates for 2 there and got close to maxing Yak Tel for 1 (the rest I got in OC). That was one afternoon. There is zero chance you got only 1 demiatma from 70 hours of FATE farming and, considering what else you have been saying, I am willing to bet you were doing things that were not related to FATE farming, which shouldn’t be added to the time for collecting these demiatmas.

So, you have lied constantly and likely massively mis-represented your experience. Why should we not take your claims with a massive pinch of salt.

[fulminating]

I would like atmas to continue dropping as an alternative to paying tomes for subsequent penumbral relics. Maybe requiring just one of each; rowena is bound to be able to sell them. They’re fun, I get an extra incentive to do fates waiting on roulette queues, and as these relics have achievements tied to them that can be used as a check to close the tap when all are acquired.

[CaptainLagbeard]

After way too much grinding, I finally got Demiatmas...

And this is why needing 6 sets of them is a terrible design choice which isn't helped at all by not being able to force certain FATEs and CEs to spawn... Just have to sort of hope you even get a chance to get to roll on the RNG...

[Valence]

In this post alone, if you have spend 100 hours purely on Fates/CEs, you will have gotten more than 1 demiatma. It is a statistical impossibility that that is the case.

Mathematically wrong. The proper statement should be "It is a statistical improbability that that is the case".
You still believe that words and definitions do matter, right?

[Gyson]

The "it's only been X days since the update's release" responses don't make much sense. It's a broad generalization that lacks the necessary nuance. It's easy to say "it's only been a week", but if someone has farmed twelve hours a day for seven days straight and only has a single Demiatma to show for it then it's not difficult to understand why they might be frustrated and how demoralizing it can be when you realize you need to collect seventeen more.

[fulminating]

Mathematically wrong. The proper statement should be "It is a statistical improbability that that is the case".
You still believe that words and definitions do matter, right?

Nah there can still be statistical impossibilities - consider the infamous minceraft speedrun the other year.
Let’s call it a 15 minute cycle of 2 fates and 1 ce, or 12 rolls of the dice per hour.
That would be 12 * 100 or 1200.
There is a 30% chance of a demiatma dropping. This can be expressed as 0.3
Then there’s that thing I half remember I think it’s something like (1-n)^1200 in this case where n is 0.3
This gives us the chance of an individual doing 100 hours and getting no demiatma*.
This number is 1.311137x10^-186
As a percentage, this is 1.311137x10^-184%
For reference there are 10^82 atoms in the universe.

I suspect I have come adrift somewhere but I’m happy enough calling that an impossibility.
*assuming no glitches/they remembered to pick up the quest etc.

[Jestigeress]

To show how full of rubbish you are, let’s go through every post you have made and how you have inaccurately portrayed OC.

First I am not dismissing anyone 's statements it is completely fair to have doubts about what I have said. I did disagree that it should be 20% drop rate for everyone, because that wasn't my experience, that wasn't my truth so in my opinion I had a different result If you disagree with that also, that is totally fair.

As for my low knowledge level yes I revived myself thousands of times. It was so bad I am surprised i didn't get an achievement for it, which is comical for me to say, and equally cringe to think about.
The upgrade Materials... I listed them because I was being (in my opinion now), improbable drops on them. Every chest and ce getting the gold spuns (Notice how I said gold not silver, another thing you could have gotten me on , oh right you accused me of not farming enough Silver). The truth is I exaggerated a lot but the results of the amount of the items i received are correct. For Example Fixatives I exaggerated when I said I got them from Chests and CE's in reality I got them from Golden Pot Chests (which is in OC zone outside of the FT raid), but the odds of that , i shouldn't have gotten any of them in those odds because of how much layered RNG is in those silly little Bunny pot chests!

Here is another truth that frankly greatly upsets me... I have no desire to do Forked tower yet here i am with upgrades that as of right now are only beneficial for progressing through Forked Tower. I cannot put them on the MB & I can't trade them away. To me they are useless right now.
On the DT open World fates the Demiatma drops should've been higher... another quirk I was noticing while doing them , if you grouped up it seemed as only one person in the party was actually getting them (at least according to Local chat). Now if you got lucky and got the drops, congratulations, but not everyone had that experience.
Lastly i am surprised no one called me out on the 100+ hour claim... in a week there's only 168 hours not to mention on some of the servers I play on some of them were being DDOS'd and having technical issues... I pretty much no-lifed that week.

Look you disagree with what I experienced, that is good and completely fair, but understand I do not dismiss what you and others experienced. In fact i am glad you got through the grind to enjoy the rewards

Have a good one now.