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    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    Everything mentioned here, is exactly what I've been saying for months. Wish I knew Japanese so I could post it over on those furms too, maybe it'd have a chance of getting seen by SE over there. Though, I imagine there'd be a lot more 'why are you trying to do the devs job, shut up' kind of responses
    Could always use like Chat GPT then double-check with several other apps to make sure you can get your point across.

    While I don't agree with all this healerstrike stuff. I do feel bad when I think some of it might be lost in translation.
    As long as it's straightforward and respectful. I'd say go for it.

    But that being said the General Discussion forums in Japanese seem slow cordial. Even the Healer section is kinda... muted.

    Mostly people carrying on they are super chill. Like in comparison to the discourse here... it's almost mundane.
    From the Japanese perspective unless they are just being super respectful on the official forums.
    They don't seem to care about the things the western audience seems to care about.

    At least that's what I got from a glance.

    Maybe that's why things are so disconnected.

    FF14 is a global game... maybe the Asian players just don't have the same issues the Western ones do. . . It's actually kinda sobering. Like they exist in a different world.

    Actually I just saw a thread (again I'm skimming) These guys are kinda talking about wanting the opposite of what you guys want or not talking about these issues at all* Go through their healer section and translate some stuff for yourself it's bizarre.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadda View Post
    Could always use like Chat GPT then double-check with several other apps to make sure you can get your point across.

    While I don't agree with all this healerstrike stuff. I do feel bad when I think some of it might be lost in translation.
    As long as it's straightforward and respectful. I'd say go for it.

    But that being said the General Discussion forums in Japanese seem slow cordial. Even the Healer section is kinda... muted.

    Mostly people carrying on they are super chill. Like in comparison to the discourse here... it's almost mundane.
    From the Japanese perspective unless they are just being super respectful on the official forums.
    They don't seem to care about the things the western audience seems to care about.

    At least that's what I got from a glance.

    Maybe that's why things are so disconnected.

    FF14 is a global game... maybe the Asian players just don't have the same issues the Western ones do. . . It's actually kinda sobering. Like they exist in a different world.

    Actually I just saw a thread (again I'm skimming) These guys are kinda talking about wanting the opposite of what you guys want or not talking about these issues at all* Go through their healer section and translate some stuff for yourself it's bizarre.
    What you have to consider though is based on the censuses over 50% of the game entire base playerbase (ie ignoring Korea and China) play on NA alone.

    We know that JP is more blasé about the state of healers but you also have to consider that near exclusive adherence to JP feedback at the expense of western feedback isn’t a very balanced view to take when western players are the majority of the playerbase
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    What you have to consider though is based on the censuses over 50% of the game entire base playerbase (ie ignoring Korea and China) play on NA alone.

    We know that JP is more blasé about the state of healers but you also have to consider that near exclusive adherence to JP feedback at the expense of western feedback isn’t a very balanced view to take when western players are the majority of the playerbase
    I just think that it's strange more than anything.
    Anyways while I don't jive with 100% of Healer Strike stuff... maybe being able to communicate it in Japanese would be helpful for the time being.
    I do agree that one audience shouldn't be at the expense of another audience. Though ironically that happens with a lot of Japanese games.
    You ever see a niche title come to the west and it underperforms a little so the company from Japan just stops sending those games over here for several decades.

    They have a weird knee jerk reaction to things and quizically are content with doing fine in their own markets than abroad. Maybe they don't have the capacity to acknowledge the Western half

    As I said a coordinated effort to push more Western audience complaints in a Japanese format might get the message across. It just needs to be done in a fashion where it can also stir the Japanese player base.
    I think it'd be a good idea.

    Which really has to do with Western branches of Square (We could just have people working for Square on our side who just aren't communicating) vs Eastern branches Square... but with a good push you could turn 50% of the player base into 100% globally. That can't be ignored.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadda View Post
    But that being said the General Discussion forums in Japanese seem slow cordial. Even the Healer section is kinda... muted.

    Mostly people carrying on they are super chill. Like in comparison to the discourse here... it's almost mundane.
    From the Japanese perspective unless they are just being super respectful on the official forums.
    They don't seem to care about the things the western audience seems to care about.

    At least that's what I got from a glance.

    Maybe that's why things are so disconnected.

    FF14 is a global game... maybe the Asian players just don't have the same issues the Western ones do. . . It's actually kinda sobering. Like they exist in a different world.
    It's mostly because they're being polite because this is an official site after all. If you want their real, unfiltered opinion, you need to go to sites like 5ch.
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