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  1. #10861
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    ForsakenRoe's Avatar
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    Samantha Redgrayve
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    Zodiark
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    Sage Lv 100
    The point of the complaints is, look at any other fan-favourite job. Let's say, WAR. Imagine that SE makes a potency change to the job, that means that pressing 123 combo is more potency on average, than spending gauge on Fell Cleave. You just don't use Fell Cleave at all in this hypothetical.

    Now imagine, that some players are saying 'yeh but WAR is still the top DPS of the tanks so why does it matter?' It matters because the filler actions don't feel as good to use as the 'gated' actions, such as gauge spenders, CDs, etc. And if these 'gated' actions aren't worth pressing, the question creeps in, 'why do we even have these actions if we never use them?', eventually leading to a push for their removal or reworking.

    PCT isn't just 'Element in Color - The Job', Painting the Motifs is what sets it apart from the other jobs. Now, it's questionable as to whether it's worth it to even paint your Motif in half of the available scenarios. I'm seeing talk of it being 'optimal' to skip painting a Creature Motif if it's an 'odd Motif' (That being, one that doesn't trigger Mog/Madeen to be available) if you're near the end of an encounter and it'd be the last one you get in, and more recently, that it's 'optimal' to just skip your odd-minute Hammer Combo entirely. What on earth are they doing over there
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  2. #10862
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    AmiableApkallu's Avatar
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    Tatanpa Nononpa
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    Zalera
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe View Post
    What on earth are they doing over there
    As a spectator to all this, I wonder if SE is imagining someone who does something like: cycle through the obvious combos, hit shiny buttons when they light up, keep everything else off cooldown as able. I.e., what I do when I want to play -- or feel like I'm playing -- a job's DPS-kit serviceably but not necessarily optimally.

    But that'd be strange, because the entire point of these changes is, nominally, to balance the job in content where people do care about and try to work out what's optimal. Little old me who's going to play the job in Duty Finder the same way he always has surely isn't actually the model player SE has in mind...
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  3. #10863
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    Maltothoris's Avatar
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    Malto Thoris
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    Behemoth
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    So having the recent ex, still about the same. The only reqlly heavy parts are escahlons fall 2 and the three shock breaks shoild you be approaching enrage. However, when you get the 740 gear and few mistakes, it is very possible to have enough dps to just outright skip rosebloom 6 which if you reach it, the default strat is to just tank lb it.
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  4. #10864
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    Shialan's Avatar
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    Shinon Hisae
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    Shiva
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    Sage Lv 91
    So, how is the strike going?
    (2)

  5. #10865
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    Aravell's Avatar
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Maltothoris View Post
    So having the recent ex, still about the same. The only reqlly heavy parts are escahlons fall 2 and the three shock breaks shoild you be approaching enrage. However, when you get the 740 gear and few mistakes, it is very possible to have enough dps to just outright skip rosebloom 6 which if you reach it, the default strat is to just tank lb it.
    You don't even need tank LB, each cleave only does about 70k, so a critlo deploy, Sacred Soil and Expedient is already enough to live through 2 cleaves.

    It's way more value to tank LB the Stock Break spam later (or just melee LB to kill it before that).
    (2)

  6. #10866
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    ForsakenRoe's Avatar
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    Samantha Redgrayve
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    Zodiark
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    Sage Lv 100
    Pretty impressive how little those cleaves do, considering it's EX. Why even include them if they're going to be so limpwristed on the damage
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  7. #10867
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    Maltothoris's Avatar
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    Malto Thoris
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    Behemoth
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    White Mage Lv 100
    It definitely follows the logic of endwalker savages where they will do one mechanic from the normal version of fight just once like i. P10s with the rotating circle and in p12s p1 with that colmun aoe that she does in the last superchain. Of course with gear and even just the crafted 740, it's very possible to just skip that part entirely. It only get faster with the savage and tome gear. And lets not forget about more buffs either.
    (1)

  8. #10868
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    Kacho_Nacho's Avatar
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    Kacho Nacho
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    Coeurl
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    White Mage Lv 99
    Quote Originally Posted by Shialan View Post
    So, how is the strike going?
    It's still going on strong.
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  9. #10869
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    Chrono Cross
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    Golem
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    Paladin Lv 90
    As dead in the water as it was the day it was conceived, I shouldn't wonder.
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  10. #10870
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Yeah because all the other feedback is being so accurately collected and acted upon in a timely manner

    The strike has done what I didn’t expect it to do…….cement itself in people’s minds as a collective effort of mounds of feedback the devs have ignored for no conceivable reason. I’ve seen many posts in the last few days of people arguing about the volume of BLM feedback being given going “give more” or “condense it into a megathread” and the common response is “why the healerstrike shows the devs just do not care about any form of feedback offered”

    There has not been a single change to any job that can be directly attributed to popular feedback since about the 6.3 PLD rework and the healerstrike is the biggest example of that

    Not exactly what was designed to be achieved but I’ll take “created an example that we can point to that shows the devs truly don’t care at all” over nothing at all
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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