Yuweyawata Field Station is so wrong

[Arohk]

Combat constitutes a tiny fraction of the overall available content.

wrong, the MSQ is the tiny fraction of the content, Fighting Bosses is the majority of what the game has to offer, yes there are non-combat activities like crafting or housing, but combat is the main content that is repeatable, or is the entire goal to just beat the Story and then not play anymore until one new quest comes along? there are better or cheaper alternatives than waiting months for a tiny drop of new story that is done in half an hour(if you dont skip the dialogue).

Your assumption that all weak players are weak because they don't try hard enough is simply wrong.

I am not saying they aren't trying, i am saying the game does a terrible job at teaching how to play. And is also very inaccesible due to the overbloated amount of skills.
Those who don't even care to improve are the worst anyway.

Hence it even took me a whole lot of effort back in Shadowbringes(thast when i started the game) to learn how to play properly, only once i started to do Savage Eden i actually had to do it, because i never had to engage with the nuances and optimizations before that point, i really thought i am not that terrible at the game but i had no idea how shit i was.

[Mawlzy]

wrong, the MSQ is the tiny fraction of the content, Fighting Bosses is the majority of what the game has to offer, yes there are non-combat activities like crafting or housing, but combat is the main content that is repeatable, or is the entire goal to just beat the Story and then not play anymore until one new quest comes along? there are better or cheaper alternatives than waiting months for a tiny drop of new story that is done in half an hour(if you dont skip the dialogue).



I am not saying they aren't trying, i am saying the game does a terrible job at teaching how to play. And is also very inaccesible due to the overbloated amount of skills.
Those who don't even care to improve are the worst anyway.

Hence it even took me a whole lot of effort back in Shadowbringes(thast when i started the game) to learn how to play properly, only once i started to do Savage Eden i actually had to do it, because i never had to engage with the nuances and optimizations before that point, i really thought i am not that terrible at the game but i had no idea how shit i was.

Again, this simply isn't true. Most of NA/EU engage in no combat beyond normal and run most MSQ dungeons precisely once.

I mostly play PvP. As such, my time engaged in dungeons/trials is no more than 2% of my total engagement with the game. This is common.

I spend more time playing triple triad than in dungeons/trials, and I'm not that fond of triple triad.

[Arohk]

Again, this simply isn't true. Most of NA/EU engage in no combat beyond normal and run most MSQ dungeons precisely once.

i would like to see some hard data for that claim.

[Mawlzy]

i would like to see some hard data for that claim.

NA clear rate for savage on cycle is less than 25%? Thought that was generally accepted and similar in EU.

I'll solo EX unsynched occasionally if I want a mount.

Those numbers might increase if PvE in 14 was actually interesting, but unfortunately it's formulaic slop.

[Arohk]

NA clear rate for savage on cycle is less than 25%? Thought that was generally accepted and similar in EU.

that is quite a lot considering the difficulty, and "clearing" is not equal to participating, even if you only clear the first two bosses, it takes a lot of time commitment to actually finish the entire tier.

Soloing old EX fights isnt even a challenge for the most part, dont know why you bring that up. I farm all the mounts when it is the current content, (or 99 totems in most cases),
i killed Chaotic Cloud 84 times to get both mounts, did you even kill it once?

I think you are talking about content you don't really know much about.

The MSQ is about 300 hours of playtime now , if you dont skip the cutscenes, that is about 5% of my total playtime.

[Mawlzy]

that is quite a lot considering the difficulty, and "clearing" is not equal to participating, even if you only clear the first two bosses, it takes a lot of time commitment to actually finish the entire tier.

Soloing old EX fights isnt even a challenge for the most part, dont know why you bring that up. I farm all the mounts when it is the current content, (or 99 totems in most cases),
i killed Chaotic Cloud 84 times to get both mounts.

I think you are talking about content you don't really know much about.

I was pointing out the only time I engage with EX is unsynched. So you're right, on cycle I have no experience of EX, and certainly don't have the interest or ability to attempt savage.

Progging just sounds like a boring, repetitive job and I'm happily retired.

Clearing CC 84 times sounds like a self-inflicted nightmare, but if you enjoy it, that's great.

[Carin-Eri]

I was pointing out the only time I engage with EX is unsynched. So you're right, on cycle I have no experience of EX, and certainly don't have the interest or ability to attempt savage.

Progging just sounds like a boring, repetitive job and I'm happily retired.

Clearing CC 84 times sounds like a self-inflicted nightmare, but if you enjoy it, that's great.

Same. I've done a few unsynched Ex's (The Seat of Sacrifice, Zodiark's Fall, Hydaelyn's Call and Endsinger's Aria), mostly with friends - or at least one friend on the team - but I wouldn't even consider going anywhere near current high-level content.

Meanwhile the "refuse to improve" narrative continues in other threads.

[Mawlzy]

that is quite a lot considering the difficulty, and "clearing" is not equal to participating, even if you only clear the first two bosses, it takes a lot of time commitment to actually finish the entire tier.

Soloing old EX fights isnt even a challenge for the most part, dont know why you bring that up. I farm all the mounts when it is the current content, (or 99 totems in most cases),
i killed Chaotic Cloud 84 times to get both mounts, did you even kill it once?

I think you are talking about content you don't really know much about.

The MSQ is about 300 hours of playtime now , if you dont skip the cutscenes, that is about 5% of my total playtime.

Right, and MSW dungeons and trials are what? 10% of that? Call it 20%, that's 60 hours of MSQ required PvE.

In the last three years I've put in around 2500 hours of PvP. Maybe another 1500 on side quests, FATEs, Gold Saucer, hunts, Bozja/Eureka...

60/4000 = 0.015. 1.5% of my time was spent in required MSQ PvE and I basically do zero optional dungeons/trials/raids.

PvE is not the focus of FFXIV. At least how I play it.