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  1. #10731
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rithy255 View Post
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    You drew the line at a point I never made so I’m not sure who you are apparently arguing with

    The only point of yours I argued with was the idea that nerfing tank sustain wouldn’t make healers better (NOT FIX; better) because yes there was a world of difference in EW healing a DRK vs healing a WAR/PLD. Healing the DRK didn’t “fix” healers but at least I got to heal which was a marketed improvement over healing the WAR/PLD

    That was my only point. They could fix both of these issues by upping damage. HOWEVER since we have screamed into a void for 5 years asking damage to be raised and their response is to lower damage and up healing in the world where damage can be healed by either the tank or the healer but doesn’t need both it should be the HEALER doing the healing. That won’t fix healers but that was never my point

    We don’t actually disagree, you are just arguing with a point I didn’t make
    (2)
    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  2. #10732
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    Aravell's Avatar
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    J'thaldi Rhid
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    Mateus
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Personally, I view the tank/healer issue as 'encroachment vs supplementation'.

    Currently, a WAR can just heal themselves and their co-tank back up from a double tankbuster with Nascent Flash without any input from either healer within the party, that makes Nascent Flash an encroachment upon the healer role.

    Meanwhile, a WHM cannot simply toss an Aquaveil on a tank and allow them to survive a tankbuster with no input from the tank, that makes Aquaveil supplementary to the tank role.

    The path they can take now is either to cut tank healing down to only supplementing the healer's job or they can limit the tank's healing directly with restrictions/losses.
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  3. #10733
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    AmiableApkallu's Avatar
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    Tatanpa Nononpa
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    Zalera
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I’m becoming more and more convinced (similar to right back in SB) that nothing will change with healing design until something manages to pull back the curtain for these average players and shows them how garbage WHM actually is or the reverse where fight design changes so that WHM stands on its own two feet and all healers move forward together rather than the current design of WHM being an enforced burden on the shield healers who’s crying wishing for an AST or the other shield healer
    Because I've been playing through the FFIV Pixel Remaster these past days…

    (0)

  4. #10734
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    Kacho_Nacho's Avatar
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    Kacho Nacho
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    Coeurl
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    White Mage Lv 98
    Quote Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu View Post
    Because I've been playing through the FFIV Pixel Remaster these past days…

    Misread that and thought you wrote you were playing through a FFXIV Pixel Remaster. I was like, there's a pixel remaster of this game??? I'd play that in a heartbeat!

    (1)

  5. #10735
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    Samantha Redgrayve
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    Zodiark
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    Sage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu View Post
    Because I've been playing through the FFIV Pixel Remaster these past days…
    Maybe the way she's able to avoid being a burden is because when there's no damage to heal, she's able to support the team with things like Silence, Confuse, Blink, Haste/Slow, Protect/Shell/Reflect and even Dispel
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  6. #10736
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    Healer Strike
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    Brynhildr
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    Conjurer Lv 100
    give it up everyone, it's been 3/4 of a year and it's just radio silence from the devs

    gg no re
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  7. #10737
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    I am so ready for the next liveletter to show a few phantom job combos but none with healer as main job nor phantom job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

  8. #10738
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    I am so ready for the next liveletter to show a few phantom job combos but none with healer as main job nor phantom job.
    Still waiting for meteor to play a caster
    (4)
    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  9. #10739
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    Karuru Karu
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    Shiva
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    Fisher Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    I am so ready for the next liveletter to show a few phantom job combos but none with healer as main job nor phantom job.
    Looking at Bozja, the phantom jobs will likely give you one button which replaces the whole healer role. Who needs an actual healer when you have Lost Cure III? The mere existence of the phantom job system already tells us that there will be no healing checks, just more DDR mechanics and then we have the honor of casting raises left and right, a nice distraction from spamming Glare for 3 hours.
    (0)
    It’s a good thing not to answer your enemies. I scarcely ever do. Perhaps Emily is more like me than I am like myself. Perhaps she would rather not answer her friends, even. She keeps it all in her heart.

  10. #10740
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Odin
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Tint View Post
    Looking at Bozja, the phantom jobs will likely give you one button which replaces the whole healer role. Who needs an actual healer when you have Lost Cure III? The mere existence of the phantom job system already tells us that there will be no healing checks, just more DDR mechanics and then we have the honor of casting raises left and right, a nice distraction from spamming Glare for 3 hours.
    Yea and then some red mage comes in and hogs all the rezzes for themselves to farm a title.
    (0)
    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

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