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  1. #9731
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    mallleable's Avatar
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    Malia Tri'el
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    Bard Lv 100
    I want them to do a mid expansion of a job or two, and just go wild to give a us a taste of what's to come.
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  2. #9732
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    Gartred Runecaster
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    Diabolos
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by mallleable View Post
    I want them to do a mid expansion of a job or two, and just go wild to give a us a taste of what's to come.
    I'm hoping and praying for Scholar and Dark Knight.
    But I'm worrying for Black Mage and Machinist.
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  3. #9733
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by GartredZW View Post
    I'm hoping and praying for Scholar and Dark Knight.
    But I'm worrying for Black Mage and Machinist.
    Please don’t do SCH, it’s the only healer that has any degree of skill left and I don’t want to risk that for another SGE
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  4. #9734
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Please don’t do SCH, it’s the only healer that has any degree of skill left and I don’t want to risk that for another SGE
    It's got the best shot to actually get improvements because of how wonky it is right now. (still my favorite healer though all things considered)
    Sage is still really new, Astro just got a rework, and White Mage's whole identity is being the baby healer.
    I mean, we're not playing healers anyway. Especially if they ruin Scholar further, Right? (no pun intended.)
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  5. #9735
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by GartredZW View Post
    It's got the best shot to actually get improvements because of how wonky it is right now. (still my favorite healer though all things considered)
    Sage is still really new, Astro just got a rework, and White Mage's whole identity is being the baby healer.
    I mean, we're not playing healers anyway. Especially if they ruin Scholar further, Right? (no pun intended.)
    I honestly can’t think of a single way they could improve its “wonkiness” that’s not basically just removing an aspect of its design
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  6. #9736
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I honestly can’t think of a single way they could improve its “wonkiness” that’s not basically just removing an aspect of its design
    How about Fey Blessing, Whispering Dawn, and Fey Illumination being usable under Dissipation, just originating from the player, and perhaps having an additional effect like a shield, or boosted mitigation. Maybe even resetting the cooldown.
    Excog could be manually detonated for a slightly reduced potency for the times where you need a heal to go out, but your target isn't below 50% health yet. (this happens pretty often with Dark Knights using TBN)
    The faerie could go back to using Fey Blessing after it's done doing any of it's other skills. It could also start following you if you get too far from it after placing it somewhere specific instead of just peace-ing out.

    Just off the top of my head, but I wouldn't say any of this would "fix" scholar per se. I know it's part of the difficulty to fully understand how your kit works, but it still feels really weird to run into one of these things. Maybe if they kept more of the way pets worked before that made some of these things actually make sense.
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  7. #9737
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    Dusty Two
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    If they want to rework the jobs, well good for them, I won't touch them unless the reworks actually fixes the problems I've had with the jobs since Shadowbringers. If the reworks are still a mess, great, I'll just continue to not touch them.

    As for SCH, I've never been particularly attached to Dissipation, but I do think the risk of not having the fairy when you need it is part of what makes it interesting. Part of me kinda prefers the pre-ShB version that required a manual re-summon, as that entrenched it as much more of an "emergency button" in my mind.
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    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE
    Healers have been neglected for 3 expansions now and this needs to be rectified with the following:
    1. An engaging DPS kit beyond a nuke and DoT.
    2. Increased incoming damage so we have more to heal.
    3. Distinctive playstyles amongst the healers.
    4. Some nerfs to non-healer heals, we shouldn't be replaceable.

  8. #9738
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by GartredZW View Post
    How about Fey Blessing, Whispering Dawn, and Fey Illumination being usable under Dissipation, just originating from the player, and perhaps having an additional effect like a shield, or boosted mitigation. Maybe even resetting the cooldown.
    Excog could be manually detonated for a slightly reduced potency for the times where you need a heal to go out, but your target isn't below 50% health yet. (this happens pretty often with Dark Knights using TBN)
    The faerie could go back to using Fey Blessing after it's done doing any of it's other skills. It could also start following you if you get too far from it after placing it somewhere specific instead of just peace-ing out.

    Just off the top of my head, but I wouldn't say any of this would "fix" scholar per se. I know it's part of the difficulty to fully understand how your kit works, but it still feels really weird to run into one of these things. Maybe if they kept more of the way pets worked before that made some of these things actually make sense.
    I don’t know if buffing dissipation any further would be remotely balanced, it’s already so powerful as it is

    To me the conflict in skills is a core part of SCH’s identity
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  9. #9739
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    Tiana Vestoria
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    Odin
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    Warrior Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by GartredZW View Post
    How about Fey Blessing, Whispering Dawn, and Fey Illumination being usable under Dissipation, just originating from the player, and perhaps having an additional effect like a shield, or boosted mitigation. Maybe even resetting the cooldown.
    I'm not sure I would consider that an improvement.
    What you call clunk I consider friction within Scholar's kit that requires careful consideration, something rather rare nowadays.
    Not having access to your fairy skills for 30 seconds means you can't just use Dissipation whenever you feel like it and instead have to pick a moment in any given fight where you can get away with it without negatively impacting the party or yourself.


    But considering the current trajectory of removing every bit of friction from all jobs...Dissipation is absolutely on the chopping block.
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    Last edited by Absurdity; 11-19-2024 at 05:31 PM.

  10. #9740
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    Alarasong Elaha
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    Siren
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    White Mage Lv 91
    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    no. they have IMPLIED they will look at jobs. in reality we know a grand total of absolutely nothing. nor, in all honesty, is their intention even remotely clear in if they are keeping healers, the trinity or... anything.

    all we have for certain is PR speak telling us to "please wait for it"
    The job changes we got in 7.1 show clear as day that they have no intention of upping the skill ceiling on anything
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