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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    You know what other games have?

    Unbalanced interesting classes
    Do you know what those games also have? You are excluded from parties if you don't play the most broken, unbalanced out of all, as well.

    Anyway...
    X Ultimate was cleared without Tanks--> Wow, the skill involved,
    X ultimate was cleared without healers--> The audacity!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohashi View Post
    Do you know what those games also have? You are excluded from parties if you don't play the most broken, unbalanced out of all, as well.

    Anyway...
    X Ultimate was cleared without Tanks--> Wow, the skill involved,
    X ultimate was cleared without healers--> The audacity!!!!
    You are excluded if you don’t play the most powerful class

    Oh you mean like PCT, or SCH or AST

    Or you get excluded if you play bad classes

    Oh you mean like SMN, and MCH, and PLD and MNK many times, or WHM and SGE

    Every class in 14 is the same and they still can’t balance them
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    You are excluded if you don’t play the most powerful class

    Oh you mean like PCT, or SCH or AST

    Or you get excluded if you play bad classes

    Oh you mean like SMN, and MCH, and PLD and MNK many times, or WHM and SGE

    Every class in 14 is the same and they still can’t balance them

    Do you mean this? : https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/59?boss=1074
    Or maybe this? : https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/59?boss=1077
    I am sure it's this one: https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/62?boss=93 right?
    no wait!!! It's this one: https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/62?boss=95 or maybe: https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...93&class=Tanks

    The balance is not perfect, yes, the game can definitely be improved, but I never saw anyone being excluded/ kicked playing any of those bad classes that you are mentioning.

    Also the examples you give were probably true at some point, but they aren't currently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohashi View Post
    Do you mean this? : https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/59?boss=1074
    Or maybe this? : https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/59?boss=1077
    I am sure it's this one: https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/62?boss=93 right?
    no wait!!! It's this one: https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statistics/62?boss=95 or maybe: https://www.fflogs.com/zone/statisti...93&class=Tanks

    The balance is not perfect, yes, the game can definitely be improved, but I never saw anyone being excluded/ kicked playing any of those bad classes that you are mentioning.

    Also the examples you give were probably true at some point, but they aren't currently.
    I love how you linked UWU of all fights but not the obvious fight that anyone can figure out when I’m saying SMN is getting excluded

    Like who cares about the balance of UWU
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I love how you linked UWU of all fights but not the obvious fight that anyone can figure out when I’m saying SMN is getting excluded

    Like who cares about the balance of UWU

    And in which fight is SMN being excluded? I am currently progging FRU, and I have never seen any SMN being kicked or told to leave, but do please enlighten me: which fight are you progging and you saw this behaviour taking place?

    Also, you either care about overall balance or not talk shit 24/7 saying you care about the game and its balance state. Do you just pick whatever suits you and your biased narrative that has very little to do with reality and the actual state of the game?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kohashi View Post
    And in which fight is SMN being excluded? I am currently progging FRU, and I have never seen any SMN being kicked or told to leave, but do please enlighten me: which fight are you progging and you saw this behaviour taking place?

    Also, you either care about overall balance or not talk shit 24/7 saying you care about the game and its balance state. Do you just pick whatever suits you and your biased narrative that has very little to do with reality and the actual state of the game?
    PCT to SMN has a 32 to 1 clear rate, that’s more ergregious than the worst of the worst of WOW’s “I’ll dox ya grandma if you join as this job” and far worse than balance defenders pet defence of HW PLD

    And like I’ve said before I don’t care about balance, I care that the jobs are grey slop in pursuit of balance and they still can’t balance them which is actually why I don’t really mind the above discrepancy between PCT and SMN, because PCT is trying to do something different. But I know I’d be pissed if I was one of SMN’s 3 mains
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    PCT to SMN has a 32 to 1 clear rate, that’s more ergregious than the worst of the worst of WOW’s “I’ll dox ya grandma if you join as this job” and far worse than balance defenders pet defence of HW PLD

    And like I’ve said before I don’t care about balance, I care that the jobs are grey slop in pursuit of balance and they still can’t balance them which is actually why I don’t really mind the above discrepancy between PCT and SMN, because PCT is trying to do something different. But I know I’d be pissed if I was one of SMN’s 3 mains
    I have no clue where you got that data from, but fine, I will humor you. The ratio isn't low because people were forced to switch from SMN.
    I personally find both PCT and SMN pretty boring, but that's just me.

    Why would you exclude UWU from balancing? Do you actually care about balance?

    I am still waiting for that example of the fight that you are progging ATM and in which SMN is being kicked/excluded. You got me curious so?
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