#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Supersnow845]

There seems to be a miscommunication here. I don't consider Dosis to be "filler". Well, if you're saying that the primary single target damage button for each healer is functionally the same across classes, then yes, they are indeed quite similar. Though I do have to say that I find the "Eukrasion" gimmick to be neat. Yes, in practice, all it really changes is the amount of space needed on my hotbar for GCD skills. But I still think it's neat, nonetheless. Regardless, that's not the point I was making. The point is that if you ignore differences, you will only see similarities.

I've already discussed several differences between SGE and SCH. I've also already discussed some barriers for further differentiation between healer classes.

If you only want to see the similarities, then I can't stop you. No matter what you choose, I will continue enjoying the game.

What do you consider dosis to be if you don’t consider it filler. I mean that’s literally what it is in the most literal sense of the word. It’s what you press when you don’t have anything else to press. I don’t get how that can be up for debate

[Shurrikhan]

There seems to be a miscommunication here. I don't consider Dosis to be "filler". Well, if you're saying that the primary single target damage button for each healer is functionally the same across classes, then yes, they are indeed quite similar. Though I do have to say that I find the "Eukrasion" gimmick to be neat. Yes, in practice, all it really changes is the amount of space needed on my hotbar for GCD skills.

To be fair, though, Eukrasian Dosis is no more Dosis than Dia, Afflatus Solace, Glare IV, is Glare, Biolysis is Broil, or Combust is Malefic.

Nor does Eukrasian Dosis even change the number of skills you need on your bar relative to the other 30s-duration DoTs. You're still using another key to then replace an GCD of the functionally identical attack, up to once per 30s (20s, in Afflatus's case; thrice per 120s in G4's case).

The difference is just that you hit the filler attack's button once more per DoT; that's it.

[Azurarok]

There were so many more differences between healers (or all the jobs in general) in the past of course we're focusing on the similarities to be an issue. That's kind of the point of the thread.

[TheDustyOne]

Eukrasia has the potential to be a really, really cool skill, much like Dark Arts used to be. Extra attack spells can mean different Eukrasian spells, different Eukrasian spells mean different effects. While we're at it, maybe we could make a Eukrasian Toxikon that has a 21s DoT, finally allowing it to be damage neutral without being overly spammable.

We could go a step further and offer different Kardia effects from these different attack spells, like giving extra barriers, mitigations, regens, stronger heals, cleanses, etc. Eukrasian Toxikon could apply another barrier, maybe we could have a new gauge to spend on attacks that provide the Kardia target with buffs and shields.

Instead Eukrasia is just our DoT behind an extra button press and turns not-Physick into not-Adloquium. While Kardia is just not-Embrace. Such a massive missed opportunity.

[Supersnow845]

Seraphism also deleted arguably one of current eukrasia’s greatest strengths; in that SGE had a way to perform limitless AOE pure healing with prognosis

Sure prognosis wasn’t strong but the augmentation effect was a noticeable advantage over SCH who’s only GCD AOE healing option is succor (I’ll never call it concitation)

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Important bits have been said at this point. If you don't think Glaroilficosis and the DoTs are filler, it's clear we've been talking semantics in circle. I'll stop pushing for clarification and agree to disagree then move on.

Also not gonna lie. If the effect of Seraphism didn't turn their GCD healing into instant casts, maybe that oughta be fairer. At the very least they would still retain SCH's weakness that is raw heal output on the move.

[Alice_Rivers]

While I'm not a good shield healer, for all I've tried recently, I can't help but hate Eukrasia. I wouldn't have a problem with it if it were an oGCD but in my experience my entire flow just stops dead whenever I have to press it, rather than Dosis, Dosis, Dosis, Eukrasia, Something; It feels like Dosis, Dosis, Dosis, pause, Eukrasia, Something. There's nothing stopping them making it an oGCD.

[Aravell]

Important bits have been said at this point. If you don't think Glaroilficosis and the DoTs are filler, it's clear we've been talking semantics in circle. I'll stop pushing for clarification and agree to disagree then move on.

Also not gonna lie. If the effect of Seraphism didn't turn their GCD healing into instant casts, maybe that oughta be fairer. At the very least they would still retain SCH's weakness that is raw heal output on the move.

It's funny to me that they introduced SGE with the advantage of being able to shield on the move, then they gave SCH Seraphism the very next expansion which completely deletes SGE's advantage.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[…]There's nothing stopping them making it an oGCD.

I could immediately imagine myself ghosting my Eukrasia procs just like how I ghost my dualcasts occasionally on RDM because my high ping :cries:

It's funny to me that they introduced SGE with the advantage of being able to shield on the move, then they gave SCH Seraphism the very next expansion which completely deletes SGE's advantage.

Adding salt to the injury, is the fact that SGE’s Philosophia gives no way to capitalize the healing value beyond first pepsis on the move should they actually need it. Want to spam Cure III? Now you have to be a literal, immobile WHM to cast those Prognosis once E.Prog shields are up & Pepsis on cooldown while the SCH hopping around in circle stealing E.Prognosis’ gil with their Emergency Tactic ad infinitum within the same duration.

[Azurarok]

While I'm not a good shield healer, for all I've tried recently, I can't help but hate Eukrasia. I wouldn't have a problem with it if it were an oGCD but in my experience my entire flow just stops dead whenever I have to press it, rather than Dosis, Dosis, Dosis, Eukrasia, Something; It feels like Dosis, Dosis, Dosis, pause, Eukrasia, Something. There's nothing stopping them making it an oGCD.

Changing it to an oGCD would change the timing it'd be pressed to one of the weave windows and I think it'd throw me off by a lot.

It's also why I wonder if Dosis was a full 2.5s cast during EW's development. In that case it would've served to give the Sage the mobility of an instant cast but only one weave window, which then would've given toxicon and phlegma more value as proper instant casts