#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Maltothoris]

They're not even actually following their stance that they keep reiterating. Week 1 savage clears are mathematically impossible with the healers both doing 0 damage, so healers have to be doing damage anyway.

Also the changes that they made past HW have been making it easier and easier to deal damage as a healer, so the community will start pressuring healers more and more to spend all their GCDs on damage spells.

I still believe that if they wanted healers to not be forced to do damage, they'd keep the old system where there's actually a danger of wiping when you force the healer to do damage.

Reminds of this little old disaster here https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...aler-to-DPS%21

They say this but they removed the three mains things that were obstacles to healer dps. Cleric stance, accuracy and mana management. With the first two gone and the other one becoming more and more irrelevant, it is also expected that healers dps. When those three walls were up, people were a lot more understanding back then.

[Teno]

Absolutely. As healers, we don't need these oGCD except when we need to move. So, bosses have become exercises in how well you can move your character.

But, if everyone is doing their dance right there is no need for the oGCD heals. It's a real catch-22 situation and we know CS3 isn't about to overhaul every duty and raid to correct it. Because with the amount of work it'd require, they might as well start a whole new MMO.

So, healers are stuck. Honestly, thinking about it, I don't see CS3 changing anything for healers in 8.0.

I mean, what can they do? Add another damage ability on a two minute countdown? Combine our heals so we have more space on our action bars?

The basic problem remains. Healers are both redundant and boring to play.

Dude, for sure they can do something. Give the elements of gameplay that have been suggested and mentioned approximately 2000 times. There's PLENTY to do. They just don't bother.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Dude, for sure they can do something. Give the elements of gameplay that have been suggested and mentioned approximately 2000 times. There's PLENTY to do. They just don't bother.

Don’t you know it’s just easier to say “We don’t know what to do with <insert job>” while also keeping their trajectory unabated—

/s

[Kacho_Nacho]

Dude, for sure they can do something. Give the elements of gameplay that have been suggested and mentioned approximately 2000 times. There's PLENTY to do. They just don't bother.

When I was asking "what can they do?", I wasn't talking about all the possible changes which have been suggested by the playerbase.

I was asking what can CS3 do within their conservative, Japanese mindset. All the things we've complained about, requested, or even did full work ups for, like Forsaken Roe's excellent stuff found in this thread found here, are being ignored because of cultural constraints.

If we were all playing World of Warcraft and had done the healer strike there, Blizzard would have responded. They're an American company. They are used to their subscribers speaking up.

But, Square Enix is a Japanese company.

“出る釘は打たれる” (deru kugi wa utareru) "The nail that sticks out gets hammered down."

It's clear we have been shouting at a brick wall.

I used to think the developers had withdrawn into an ivory tower. Now, I see it as a Japanese culture thing and we're not going to ever get over that hurdle. Our actions and posts are an affront to them; so, we are ignored.

[Aravell]

I mean, it's probably possible to clear the last fight of a Savage tier, without Healers doing damage. It just requires:

You forgot crit fishing, the difference between your big hits critting or not can be quite large. You can see it in short phases like in ultimates, I'm sure you've had times where you kill way earlier than expected in some phases while other times it's down to the wire with just 1 healer death.

[Maltothoris]

Also they keep adding those high potency moves so it feels especially bad when you don't crit them with how the scaling works and when you compare them to other stats. I harp on piety all the time because it has the second worse scaling in terms of tiers only after determination.

[ForsakenRoe]

Also they keep adding those high potency moves so it feels especially bad when you don't crit them with how the scaling works and when you compare them to other stats. I harp on piety all the time because it has the second worse scaling in terms of tiers only after determination.

'Some players dislike the RNG of the AST cards'
>remove the RNG entirely, making them 100% predictable (harming the identity of the job in the process)

'AST is now behind on damage because they have less RDPS contribution from the cards'
>increase the potency of their personal DPS actions, such as buffing the DOT by an unprecedented 15p per tick (harming the identity of the job in the process)

'AST needs a new 2min button like the other healers got at level 92'
>gives AST an 860p nuke that is not guaranteed to Crit or Direct Hit, thereby not only (harming the identity of the job in the process), but also bringing back RNG into the job's design, having just removed it. ????

Unlike the Cards, where the player had some degree of control over the RNG (Redrawing, for example), there's no working around the Oracle Crit RNG. You either get lucky, or get screwed. So, what did the rework solve?

Also, they could have at least made Oracle more... distinct in function from the other 'it does big damage' attacks added with DT. Like, I would suggest making it do 12 hits of 70p, one for each of the Twelve (since it uses their symbols in the VFX). That way, it's super-resistant to Crit Variance, as there's 12 individual 'did it Crit' rolls to do. And what if we get a little more creative: The colour of the VFX changes, to mirror your Patron Deity. You picked Halone? Ice Blue Oracle. You picked Oschon? Green Oracle. Rhalgr, Purple Oracle, etc. A nice little way for people to show what they picked for that one, otherwise entirely fluff choice at the start of the game

[YarnMage48]

'Some players dislike the RNG of the AST cards'
>remove the RNG entirely, making them 100% predictable (harming the identity of the job in the process)

'AST is now behind on damage because they have less RDPS contribution from the cards'
>increase the potency of their personal DPS actions, such as buffing the DOT by an unprecedented 15p per tick (harming the identity of the job in the process)

'AST needs a new 2min button like the other healers got at level 92'
>gives AST an 860p nuke that is not guaranteed to Crit or Direct Hit, thereby not only (harming the identity of the job in the process), but also bringing back RNG into the job's design, having just removed it. ????

Unlike the Cards, where the player had some degree of control over the RNG (Redrawing, for example), there's no working around the Oracle Crit RNG. You either get lucky, or get screwed. So, what did the rework solve?

Also, they could have at least made Oracle more... distinct in function from the other 'it does big damage' attacks added with DT. Like, I would suggest making it do 12 hits of 70p, one for each of the Twelve (since it uses their symbols in the VFX). That way, it's super-resistant to Crit Variance, as there's 12 individual 'did it Crit' rolls to do. And what if we get a little more creative: The colour of the VFX changes, to mirror your Patron Deity. You picked Halone? Ice Blue Oracle. You picked Oschon? Green Oracle. Rhalgr, Purple Oracle, etc. A nice little way for people to show what they picked for that one, otherwise entirely fluff choice at the start of the game

You're hitting the nail right on the head with this one. We've lost class differentiation because we complain about the differences. I'm also tired of Sage being described as a "worse scholar" Kardia is just "Selene but it sucks". Like. We got something unique with that. And what did we do? We complained that its not as "good" as SCH. Frankly I think that Kardia requiring DPS uptime is neat. It requires player skill. But also the flexibility of Selene is good too. So like. They are different and both good. But as long as we keep complaining about the class features that we have, the more we are going to lose them, and each class will look more and more like each other. SE really doesn't have any good options, no matter what they do someone here on the forums is going to complain VERY LOUDLY about it.

Also I really like your ideas for Oracle. That would be really neat and bring back a little of the class identity.

[Supersnow845]

You're hitting the nail right on the head with this one. We've lost class differentiation because we complain about the differences. I'm also tired of Sage being described as a "worse scholar" Kardia is just "Selene but it sucks". Like. We got something unique with that. And what did we do? We complained that its not as "good" as SCH. Frankly I think that Kardia requiring DPS uptime is neat. It requires player skill. But also the flexibility of Selene is good too. So like. They are different and both good. But as long as we keep complaining about the class features that we have, the more we are going to lose them, and each class will look more and more like each other. SE really doesn't have any good options, no matter what they do someone here on the forums is going to complain VERY LOUDLY about it.

Also I really like your ideas for Oracle. That would be really neat and bring back a little of the class identity.

I would say that the SGE is just a worse SCH argument is arguing in favour of wanting more job diversity simply because SGE really doesn’t actually do anything better than SCH

Complaining that two classes are functionally identical but one is just better on pretty much every front I think is a perfectly valid complaint to have against the position of SGE in terms of its identity

[Vandi]

1053 pages…sweet Jezuz….

I’m starting to think you healers are actually serious about this…