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  1. #10411
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yeol View Post
    For context, I want to mention that this at least took a month longer than it did for TOP. Not that it probably changes anything.
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    99.99% chance probably a Titanman alt

  2. #10412
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    The irony in your point being one of the most valid points despite it being made as a joke.

    It amounts to nothing more than a challenge run by people who are practiced and experienced in the game, tandem to calling Dark Souls (or some other intentionally difficult game) too easy because a small sub-set of people beat the game completely naked without dying once when that doesn't change the fact that its merely an outlier and not the normal.

    At this point I'm just convinced that people here can't comprehend players who are good at games because half of them haven't done any recent content in difficulty beyond a level-synced Fate on the open world.
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  3. #10413
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Quote Originally Posted by flowerkatie View Post
    The irony in your point being one of the most valid points despite it being made as a joke.

    It amounts to nothing more than a challenge run by people who are practiced and experienced in the game, tandem to calling Dark Souls (or some other intentionally difficult game) too easy because a small sub-set of people beat the game completely naked without dying once when that doesn't change the fact that its merely an outlier and not the normal.

    At this point I'm just convinced that people here can't comprehend players who are good at games because half of them haven't done any recent content in difficulty beyond a level-synced Fate on the open world.
    I loved how you jumped to your own defence and refute points you think we are going to make but none of us have actually said anything other than mildly commenting on its existence

    My opinion on this is it doesn’t change the state of healers in the normal game it just shows healing kits and healing design are misaligned with damage dealt. That’s basically the long and short of it, I also said this in ShB so it’s not like it’s entirely based on this (or the TOP) kill

    No I can’t do it myself, no PF won’t lock healers out yadda yadda yadda
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  4. #10414
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    but none of us have actually said anything other than mildly commenting on its existence [...]
    Quote Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima View Post
    Regardless, Yoshida needs to do something about this because if Ultimates are just No-Healer fodder, Healers are going to drop except for the likes of WHM, which is still relegated as the “baby healer” in some circles. AST/SCH/SGE won’t see the light of day outside of those who are just picking it up to try it in high-end until they figure it out themselves.
    Lmao

    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I loved how you jumped to your own defence and refute points you think we are going to make
    You mean like this?

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    Obligatory "It's Done By Highly Skilled Players in A Very Well Coordinated Party, No One Would Normally Do It, What Does it Matter" comment
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  5. #10415
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    Quote Originally Posted by flowerkatie View Post
    Lmao



    You mean like this?
    You mean the one ironic meme comment and the one over dramatic comment

    Perish the thought. How will we ever survive
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  6. #10416
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    You mean the one ironic meme comment and the one over dramatic comment

    Perish the thought. How will we ever survive
    So discussion and response isn't allowed because it's "overly dramatic" so that doesn't count in your mind as being a point. And the other is a meme, mine is taken at face value and understood differently.

    Very sound basis for discussion in a section called 'General Discussion'
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  7. #10417
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    Quote Originally Posted by flowerkatie View Post
    So discussion and response isn't allowed because it's "overly dramatic" so that doesn't count in your mind as being a point. And the other is a meme, mine is taken at face value and understood differently.

    Very sound basis for discussion in a section called 'General Discussion'
    One dramatic comment doesn’t prove your point when the other comment is obviously a meme.

    And since when did you want to “discuss” anything. You opened with “yall are just terrible” in your opening comment
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    As a healer main in this game for nigh on 14 years all I can say is that I’m tired. My role has been eroded of complexity and expression for 3 expansions. I’ve watched the tanks do my role for me for 2 expansions and my feedback and critiques continue to fall on deaf ears.

    I have no idea who modern healers are designed for but I know now it’s not me. This is the first expansion I’m truly considering dropping the healer role and not returning, so if that was the goal- congratulations I guess

  8. #10418
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    Saraide Derosa
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    I always wonder how dps and tank mains would react if you could do an on-patch ultimate without their roles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

  9. #10419
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    I always wonder how dps and tank mains would react if you could do an on-patch ultimate without their roles.
    I don't think the reaction would be as visceral if all roles could be dropped at some point of the history by relatively equal amount of times. But that's not what's happening here, it's clearly lop-sided to healers.
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  10. #10420
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    Wasn't the change to LB generation specifically meant to deal with this

    Clearly SE needs to go back to the drawing board because the bandaid on the bullet wound hasn't really had much effect (who could have seen that result coming)

    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    I always wonder how dps and tank mains would react if you could do an on-patch ultimate without their roles.
    Once upon a time, people found a way to clear Ramuh EX without having to participate in the Tank mechanic, by having Titan Egi tank the boss instead.

    The fight was released with patch 2.3, on 8th July 2014. The hotfix that prevented the strategy from working was deployed on 15th July 2014. The 'exploit' lasted exactly one week before getting addressed.
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    Last edited by ForsakenRoe; 02-13-2025 at 01:13 AM.

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