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    Quote Originally Posted by Jojoya View Post
    If we followed your logic in real life there would be no cars, no knives, no string/thin rope, no pillows, no flammable items, no heavy blunt objects, etc. Why? Because some morons decided to use those things to harm others. Better chop off everyone's hands while we're at it, those are also used to harm others regardless of the useful tasks they can also do.

    Removing a tool that morons use won't stop them from being morons. They'll find other tools to use for the same ends. Maybe we should focus on doing something about the morons instead?

    The morons can be reported to SE if they are harassing other players in game. They can be reported to Discord if they are harassing people in Discord. They can be reported to YouTube or Twitch if they are harassing people in their content creation.

    Kick them from your parties if they start harassing other players while in party. Leave their parties if they're the party leader. Don't let them benefit from acting like morons.

    It's sad a large part of the community wants to continue to enable the morons by allowing (or demanding) the blame to be shifted elsewhere instead of doing something about the morons who are responsible for the harassment.
    That's an interesting slope to follow, I dare hope it's not too slippery. The real question becomes where do you put the line and how many morons are "some morons", and how much of their "moronic" culture spreading is too much, becoming the de facto standard of acceptance that shapes the rules permeating the whole community?

    You chose cars and makeshift weapons. Could have also gone for hard drugs on the other end of the spectrum.

    Which one is the better analogy here? I don't honestly know, but I'll let you chose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    That's an interesting slope to follow, I dare hope it's not too slippery. The real question becomes where do you put the line and how many morons are "some morons", and how much of their "moronic" culture spreading is too much, becoming the de facto standard of acceptance that shapes the rules permeating the whole community?

    You chose cars and makeshift weapons. Could have also gone for hard drugs on the other end of the spectrum.

    Which one is the better analogy here? I don't honestly know, but I'll let you chose.
    I mean, Portugal saw a 75% decrease in drug related deaths after decriminalizing drug possession. It's almost like the answer to a lot of these problems is education and responsible use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigCheez View Post
    I mean, Portugal saw a 75% decrease in drug related deaths after decriminalizing drug possession. It's almost like the answer to a lot of these problems is education and responsible use.
    Did you read the hard part of the drugs or did you just choose to conveniently gloss over it? Because I'm sure Portugal decriminalized those too am I right?
    And then what, we're moving to gun regulation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    Did you read the hard part of the drugs or did you just choose to conveniently gloss over it? Because I'm sure Portugal decriminalized those too am I right?
    Yes, that's my point. Portugal had a huge problem with heroin use in the late 90s, which led to an HIV and AIDS epidemic caused by addicts sharing needles. Decriminalizing drug use made safe use possible and both reduced the number of deaths directly caused by heroin use and also the spread of HIV/AIDS significantly.

    Proper education and allowing people to use things responsibly is generally better than criminalizing things and forcing their use to happen in secret behind closed doors.
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