fflogs and privacy

[TaleraRistain]

You can but the rest of the party can't.
Ironically, you probably could have solved this problem via FFLogs by checking their logs to see if they were letting people die to damage when you were recruiting them.

LOL that does not work when I joined a static that were friends and raided together previously. The point, again, is that fflogs colors and numbers will not tell you if someone is going to be a reliable party member or not. Even if you wanted to analyze fights like you're talking about, the data can't tell you if it was due to greed or inexperience or even something agreed upon by the party.

[Lilapop]

You can but the rest of the party can't.

Ironically, you probably could have solved this problem via FFLogs by checking their logs to see if they were letting people die to damage when you were recruiting them.

Using only statistics from fflogs to determine how a fight went and nothing else is a strange take, though.

[BigCheez]

LOL that does not work when I joined a static that were friends and raided together previously. The point, again, is that fflogs colors and numbers will not tell you if someone is going to be a reliable party member or not. Even if you wanted to analyze fights like you're talking about, the data can't tell you if it was due to greed or inexperience or even something agreed upon by the party.

Why are you only looking at colours and numbers?

If you're looking at a healer's first clear logs and people are dying to damage, there's a problem. It doesn't really matter if the problem is inexperience or greed.

Using only statistics from fflogs to determine how a fight went and nothing else is a strange take, though.

In what sense? There aren't many things that it can't tell you.

[TaleraRistain]

Why are you only looking at colours and numbers?

Now you're just being deliberately obtuse. This whole thread is because as a community that's what the community looks at and finds important and will judge others using and you're sticking your head in the sand if you think it doesn't happen. That's why some of us are making the argument that anonymized data can be just as useful for analysis and that while the site is a useful tool, the current iteration can be used for negative things.

[BigCheez]

Now you're just being deliberately obtuse. This whole thread is because as a community that's what the community looks at and finds important and will judge others using and you're sticking your head in the sand if you think it doesn't happen. That's why some of us are making the argument that anonymized data can be just as useful for analysis and that while the site is a useful tool, the current iteration can be used for negative things.

No, I'm explaining how you can use the tool in a more helpful manner that would actually provide some kind of value for you.

Log data being hidden by default would have consequences in other areas and "lol, you have grey parses" would just turn into "lol, your logs are hidden". Elitism will exist with or without FFLogs. "Skip soar or disband".

[NanaWiloh]

LOL that does not work when I joined a static that were friends and raided together previously. The point, again, is that fflogs colors and numbers will not tell you if someone is going to be a reliable party member or not. Even if you wanted to analyze fights like you're talking about, the data can't tell you if it was due to greed or inexperience or even something agreed upon by the party.

This is very true there are players who run normal content pushing 90% parse and play like bosses. But the moment they step into savage it all goes down hill.

[Lilapop]

Why are you only looking at colours and numbers?

If you're looking at a healer's first clear logs and people are dying to damage, there's a problem. It doesn't really matter if the problem is inexperience or greed.



In what sense? There aren't many things that it can't tell you.

TaleraRistain's reply that you replied to in literally the same post as mine pretty much sums it up. Big numbers doesn't always = god tier player.

[BigCheez]

TaleraRistain's reply that you replied to in literally the same post as mine pretty much sums it up. Big numbers doesn't always = god tier player.

Why are you only looking at colours and numbers?

Stop looking at damage numbers and parse percentiles.

Check their clear dates to see how early they have cleared content previously. Check logs for their first kills to see how they play in prog. Check if the player is using their defensives and where they're using them. Use XIV Analysis to check their damage rotation.

And this is only scratching the surface of the information that you're able to see. You can get a pretty good idea of how well someone plays via logs. There are other important factors like their attitude and consistency that you won't know until you trial them, but that's why you trial them.

[CaedemSanguis]

I've progged with many high end groups over the year doing things like week one savage and on-patch ultimate groups. A very common theme, entirely because of FFLOGs, is healer greed. One of my healers, for example, insisted on not healing at all during week one savage clears because it was the best time for them to get a 100th percentile on white mage. So I'm there healing with them as scholar, doing only orange level dps, while they get 100th percentiles and do virtually no healing whatsoever. It was great, in part, because we were one of the top pairs in the world for healing dps, but it felt terrible to prog.

The amount of people who alter their game play to get lulbignumber on fflogs is frustrating. And it's not just at the lowest levels of play, it exists in the hardcore groups as well. It's not a fun experience for everyone else to watch you play like an ape just for lulbignumber when we're progressing.

I ended up leaving that group after a couple raid seasons of this, and I remember watching their stream as they progged DSR on patch. They reached the final phase, and refused to use a medica to heal so they wiped. I have to admit, I got a smile from that. Meanwhile, I cleared the final phase in 2 attempts with another group because I actually heal. I had on patch, and they did not.

I can guarantee you that most people have had a negative experience in this game because of fflogs. The only reason anyone is defending it at all is because lulbignumber makes them feel warm and fuzzy inside. Best rest assured, the actual players care more about whether you cleared and when that clear happened rather than your dps. FFLOGs is not necessary to know that information. It exists on achievements. The website inherently exists to make people who don't understand the game feel good. Self improvement can be done without a website as well.

they did week 1 savages and they did not get dsr on patch ? seems unlikely

"Best rest assured, the actual players care more about whether you cleared and when that clear happened rather than your dps. FFLOGs is not necessary to know that information"

from my experience, most HC groups recruit based on reputation/word of mouth, and yes they dont really care about your logs (they check your world prog ranking/clear time/time efficiency) but they just assume that you know how to dps (being able to do 95+)

[CaedemSanguis]

I really don't see a problem here, kicking or sidelining or harassing people using logs is against TOS and therefore reportable, and there's a method (which admittedly could be better displayed) to hide your logs if you're really that worried about them.

yeah, I think the same

dont really see the problem