#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Calysto]

My sub runs out soon, who want to be my alt ? You just need bad/convoluted ideas and holding SE/Y.P. to the BS they promised but didn't deliver XD

[Aravell]

So you accuse us of all being alts and when we laugh at the implications we are the cringey ones and this somehow means square should implement our suggestions because this thread is 1k pages

I don’t know whether this nonsensical leap in logic is better or worse than you accusing a fraction of a fraction of trying to dictate the game then unilaterally declare that every idea we have ever had is terrible. Like have you ever actually explained your stance on healer design

I don't think anyone who can confidently declare all our ideas bad and not worth it has ever read a single word of anything we wrote and are somehow trying to argue from a crumbling platform.

Because if someone declares all our ideas worthless and bad, they are declaring a very, very large portion of design space worthless and bad. Anyone who actually read our ideas would see there's a lot of different designs and ways to expand the kit, even SCH alone has like 5 different suggested designs by 5 different people.

[Kohashi]

So you accuse us of all being alts and when we laugh at the implications we are the cringey ones and this somehow means square should implement our suggestions because this thread is 1k pages

I don’t know whether this nonsensical leap in logic is better or worse than you accusing a fraction of a fraction of trying to dictate the game then unilaterally declare that every idea we have ever had is terrible. Like have you ever actually explained your stance on healer design

Just stop, or actually don't, it makes great material to read in the morning while on the toilet.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

My sub runs out soon, who want to be my alt ? You just need bad/convoluted ideas and holding SE/Y.P. to the BS they promised but didn't deliver XD

I can be Callistwo E'elyaa! XD

I don't think anyone who can confidently declare all our ideas bad and not worth it has ever read a single word of anything we wrote and are somehow trying to argue from a crumbling platform.

Because if someone declares all our ideas worthless and bad, they are declaring a very, very large portion of design space worthless and bad. Anyone who actually read our ideas would see there's a lot of different designs and ways to expand the kit, even SCH alone has like 5 different suggested designs by 5 different people.

To emphasize this, they don't even need to dig real deep. Just take one of those links plastered on the first page and take their time reading. There's a lot been written across 5-8 years.

Oh what's that? Lazy to read? (not to you specifically). I mean hey, that's valid. But suddenly they're nonexistent or unilaterally irreconcilable?

[Aravell]

I do find it incredibly amusing that people would loudly proclaim that there's absolutely not a single thing wrong with one of the worst class designs in gaming, a design that has failed to accomplish its main objective of enticing a lot of new players to pick up healing and also a design that has been bashed by some of said new players as being horrendously boring.

It's also funny when they dismiss all the suggested designs that add interactivity to healer kits and also give the player skill expression as worthless and bad design, while championing actually bad design that gives the player no room for growth and also doesn't even make it any easier for an inexperienced healer.

[ForsakenRoe]

Most of you cannot come up with a competent idea or anything even worthee to look at let alone implement it.

And yet, if we all rallied around, say, Ty's SGE ideas from a while back, and said 'hey this would be good', we'd no doubt be accused of being Ty's alts

I do find it incredibly amusing that people would loudly proclaim that there's absolutely not a single thing wrong with one of the worst class designs in gaming, a design that has failed to accomplish its main objective of enticing a lot of new players to pick up healing and also a design that has been bashed by some of said new players as being horrendously boring.

You have to remember that those new players haven't done the endgame content that the kits are designed for, they can't have formed a proper opinion about the topic yet due to their inexperience

Also my experience (having played the kits in endgame content such as week 1 Savage, and even an on-content Ultimate back in SHB) means I can't form a proper opinion because I can't perceive 'what the casual player experience is like' anymore. Effectively, I'm too 'hardcore' a player to be allowed to weigh in on how changes I'd suggest would affect the casuals/new players, and the same applies to anyone who crosses a certain unspecified threshold: you're either too casual and your opinion can't be used in the discussion, or you cross the invisible line and suddenly are too hardcore and your opinion can't be used in the discussion, there's no middle ground

[Tigore]

I am probably close to the middle at the moment. I haven't really entered a proper Savage yet, but I also chime in with a similar Glare spam experience. I have also had times when I did have to do all the healing for a Trial too (HW Hard Titan with the arena drop) and it still cleared. I have a feeling I might still get accused of being both too casual and hardcore at the same time. With all the discussions I did, does that make me an alt for ForsakenRoe? >.>

[Aravell]

Effectively, I'm too 'hardcore' a player to be allowed to weigh in on how changes I'd suggest would affect the casuals/new players, and the same applies to anyone who crosses a certain unspecified threshold: you're either too casual and your opinion can't be used in the discussion, or you cross the invisible line and suddenly are too hardcore and your opinion can't be used in the discussion, there's no middle ground

Well, I have week 1 savage static and PF experience, I have on-content ultimate clear experience and I've raided since HW, so that puts me as too hardcore to know how my ideas will affect the casuals, but WAIT, I also got deemed a casual by The Casual Spreadsheet, so I'm also too inexperienced to have an opinion and I should try raiding.

I guess mine is a paradoxical existence, but that also means that I can speak out on the issues because I am simultaneously a casual and an elitist at the same time.

[Absurdity]

Schroedinger's Hardcore Casual

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[…]I guess mine is a paradoxical existence, but that also means that I can speak out on the issues because I am simultaneously a casual and an elitist at the same time.

I personally see myself as somewhere in the middle of the spectrum. I try harder in ShB but gradually I put lesser effort into the gameplay—essentially going from ‘parsebrain’ into ‘Idc so long we clear’. But I also don’t quite care about clearing a tier early or late in the patch. In fact, I’ve only clear 2 from 5 tiers I’ve tried so far with my ‘casual static’. Well then what does that makes me?

Oh right. According to some funny spreadsheeter I’m a casual, too :P So I have to be too inexperienced to… uh… read & and watch footage of past iteration of jobs to glean how healer used to be & make a better comparison of old vs modern design…

Oh no Idk what am I now

[…]I have a feeling I might still get accused of being both too casual and hardcore at the same time. With all the discussions I did, does that make me an alt for ForsakenRoe? >.>

Hello Samantwo Redgrayve! XD