#FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

[Aravell]

I do find it incredibly amusing that people would loudly proclaim that there's absolutely not a single thing wrong with one of the worst class designs in gaming, a design that has failed to accomplish its main objective of enticing a lot of new players to pick up healing and also a design that has been bashed by some of said new players as being horrendously boring.

It's also funny when they dismiss all the suggested designs that add interactivity to healer kits and also give the player skill expression as worthless and bad design, while championing actually bad design that gives the player no room for growth and also doesn't even make it any easier for an inexperienced healer.

[ForsakenRoe]

Most of you cannot come up with a competent idea or anything even worthee to look at let alone implement it.

And yet, if we all rallied around, say, Ty's SGE ideas from a while back, and said 'hey this would be good', we'd no doubt be accused of being Ty's alts

I do find it incredibly amusing that people would loudly proclaim that there's absolutely not a single thing wrong with one of the worst class designs in gaming, a design that has failed to accomplish its main objective of enticing a lot of new players to pick up healing and also a design that has been bashed by some of said new players as being horrendously boring.

You have to remember that those new players haven't done the endgame content that the kits are designed for, they can't have formed a proper opinion about the topic yet due to their inexperience

Also my experience (having played the kits in endgame content such as week 1 Savage, and even an on-content Ultimate back in SHB) means I can't form a proper opinion because I can't perceive 'what the casual player experience is like' anymore. Effectively, I'm too 'hardcore' a player to be allowed to weigh in on how changes I'd suggest would affect the casuals/new players, and the same applies to anyone who crosses a certain unspecified threshold: you're either too casual and your opinion can't be used in the discussion, or you cross the invisible line and suddenly are too hardcore and your opinion can't be used in the discussion, there's no middle ground

[Aravell]

Effectively, I'm too 'hardcore' a player to be allowed to weigh in on how changes I'd suggest would affect the casuals/new players, and the same applies to anyone who crosses a certain unspecified threshold: you're either too casual and your opinion can't be used in the discussion, or you cross the invisible line and suddenly are too hardcore and your opinion can't be used in the discussion, there's no middle ground

Well, I have week 1 savage static and PF experience, I have on-content ultimate clear experience and I've raided since HW, so that puts me as too hardcore to know how my ideas will affect the casuals, but WAIT, I also got deemed a casual by The Casual Spreadsheet, so I'm also too inexperienced to have an opinion and I should try raiding.

I guess mine is a paradoxical existence, but that also means that I can speak out on the issues because I am simultaneously a casual and an elitist at the same time.

[Absurdity]

Schroedinger's Hardcore Casual

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

[…]I guess mine is a paradoxical existence, but that also means that I can speak out on the issues because I am simultaneously a casual and an elitist at the same time.

I personally see myself as somewhere in the middle of the spectrum. I try harder in ShB but gradually I put lesser effort into the gameplay—essentially going from ‘parsebrain’ into ‘Idc so long we clear’. But I also don’t quite care about clearing a tier early or late in the patch. In fact, I’ve only clear 2 from 5 tiers I’ve tried so far with my ‘casual static’. Well then what does that makes me?

Oh right. According to some funny spreadsheeter I’m a casual, too :P So I have to be too inexperienced to… uh… read & and watch footage of past iteration of jobs to glean how healer used to be & make a better comparison of old vs modern design…

Oh no Idk what am I now

[…]I have a feeling I might still get accused of being both too casual and hardcore at the same time. With all the discussions I did, does that make me an alt for ForsakenRoe? >.>

Hello Samantwo Redgrayve! XD

[Kohashi]

I do find it incredibly amusing that people would loudly proclaim that there's absolutely not a single thing wrong with one of the worst class designs in gaming, a design that has failed to accomplish its main objective of enticing a lot of new players to pick up healing and also a design that has been bashed by some of said new players as being horrendously boring.

It's also funny when they dismiss all the suggested designs that add interactivity to healer kits and also give the player skill expression as worthless and bad design, while championing actually bad design that gives the player no room for growth and also doesn't even make it any easier for an inexperienced healer.

And those people are?

I don't think there is a single person that would say that, or not recognize that the design can improve. At the end of the day, everything can be improved, in general, not just a bunch of classes in a game.

Please give me 1 example of an MMORPG with the healers design both complex, player expression how you like to call it, and enticing people to pick it up from the get-go.

Let's see what you got. (can't wait for people to say WoW..lel)

Edit: You know what I will do you one better. Provide factual, documented, verifiable data of the top 10 (or 5) available MMORPG to play where the role distribution is fairly equal among Tanks, DPS, and Healers. (around 30- 33% of the total player base)

Let's leave complexity aside since it's a bit of a murky ground and based more on individual perception.

[Supersnow845]

And those people are?

I don't think there is a single person that would say that, or not recognize that the design can improve. At the end of the day, everything can be improved, in general, not just a bunch of classes in a game.

Please give me 1 example of an MMORPG with the healers design both complex, player expression how you like to call it, and enticing people to pick it up from the get-go.

Let's see what you got. (can't wait for people to say WoW..lel)

Edit: You know what I will do you one better. Provide factual, documented, verifiable data of the top 10 (or 5) available MMORPG to play where the role distribution is fairly equal among Tanks, DPS, and Healers. (around 30- 33% of the total player base)

Let's leave complexity aside since it's a bit of a murky ground and based more on individual perception.

Who said anyone was asking for trinity parity

Healers are always a rare role

14 just has the distinction of being one of the few MMO’s that makes its few healer mains hate healers

It’s not “which MMO has 33% healer population” it’s “which other MMO makes the 5% who do main healer hate healers”

[Kohashi]

Who said anyone was asking for trinity parity

Healers are always a rare role

14 just has the distinction of being one of the few MMO’s that makes its few healer mains hate healers

It’s not “which MMO has 33% healer population” it’s “which other MMO makes the 5% who do main healer hate healers”

So let me get this straight, you want to tell me that out of all the concurrent players, only 5% are main healers, which further means 55k people, are all pissed off right now. Right?

What the F... where did you get this data? hahaha. How do you even determine who is the "true" main healer and who isn't? Is that a person who never played anything but healers? Explain your reasoning I am intrigued..hahah

[Supersnow845]

So let me get this straight, you want to tell me that out of all the concurrent players, only 5% are main healers, which further means 55k people, are all pissed off right now. Right?

What the F... where did you get this data? hahaha. How do you even determine who is the "true" main healer and who isn't? Is that a person who never played anything but healers? Explain your reasoning I am intrigued..hahah

The fact that you read that 5% as literal 5% either means you are basically just another ren style poster who’s rather argue semantics than anyone’s actual point or you just missed the point entirely

Either way I’m not really sure what to say. Who would read that as legitimately meaning 5% exactly. Does the term “1%’er” mean nothing to you

[Kohashi]

The fact that you read that 5% as literal 5% either means you are basically just another ren style poster who’s rather argue semantics than anyone’s actual point or you just missed the point entirely

Either way I’m not really sure what to say. Who would read that as legitimately meaning 5% exactly. Does the term “1%’er” mean nothing to you

That's why I have asked you for the actual meaning to make sure I understand your claim, yet another masterful dodge, or so you think, to explain the random % pulled out of your ass.

You cannot possibly mean the 5% of the 5% of those true healers, right? Because that would mean 0.0025% of the player base aka, 138 (roughly) of the concurrent player base.

Do you understand what 0.0025% means?????? hahaha

Alright, alright, I had my fun, for the day that is..