fflogs and privacy

[Collin_Sky]

I do not condone insulting people for having bad logs
Being bad at the game is fine
Being bad at the game and intentionally hiding is it not

[Lilapop]

I do not condone insulting people for having bad logs
Being bad at the game is fine
Being bad at the game and intentionally hiding is it not

In higher-end content I fully agree, but if you're having a go at someone in normal content for not playing 100% efficiently and optimally, that's where I'd disagree.

[Collin_Sky]

In higher-end content I fully agree, but if you're having a go at someone in normal content for not playing 100% efficiently and optimally, that's where I'd disagree.

If you only play low end content then it doesn't matter if your logs are public, because it doesn't affect you in the slightest
The simple fact is a service like fflogs only works if it's opt out

[Collin_Sky]

In higher-end content I fully agree, but if you're having a go at someone in normal content for not playing 100% efficiently and optimally, that's where I'd disagree.

This will happen regardless of logs. That aside, do you really think people spend the time in normal modes to fflogs their party? Ridiculous.
I can play my job to a point where I don't need to think about what I'm doing, I can spot people playing theirs wrong just by observation, I don't need to see someone's logs to tell the dungeon is going slow when I can see the BLM isn't casting flare/despair/paradox (this literally happened last time I did expert)

Also, a bad player is going to be treated the same if their logs are hidden or if their logs are visible because as I said, hidden logs are a red flag.
It literally makes no difference if they're hidden or not.

[Lilapop]

do you really think people spend the time in normal modes to fflogs their party?

Yes? I have seen people being hassled by it myself and other people (either in this thread or another) have pointed out it already happens. Whether either of us wants to think this perfect positive community is capable ofsomething soooo terrible is irrelevant.

[Collin_Sky]

Yes? I have seen people being hassled by it myself and other people (either in this thread or another) have pointed out it already happens. Whether either of us wants to think this perfect positive community is capable ofsomething soooo terrible is irrelevant.

I do not believe that someone fflogs'd you without prior context to make it worth their time doing.
Literally no one is fflogsing everyone as soon as they join normal modes.
Aside from that, like I said, you can tell someone is playing bad by observation, or even more accurately, ACT. It's not something you have to go to an external website to verify.

[Lilapop]

I do not believe that someone fflogs'd you without prior context to make it worth their time doing.
Literally no one is fflogsing everyone as soon as they join normal modes.
Aside from that, like I said, you can tell someone is playing bad by observation, or even more accurately, ACT. It's not something you have to go to an external website to verify.

Whether you believe it or not it's more likely than not happened. Yeah, anyone with eyes can tell a "bad" player. Doesn't change the fact that people will harass people because of poor logs.

[Collin_Sky]

Whether you believe it or not it's more likely than not happened. Yeah, anyone with eyes can tell a "bad" player. Doesn't change the fact that people will harass people because of poor logs.

and if logs were hidden by default you would instead be harassed with "why aren't they visible? obviously you're bad or they wouldn't be hidden"
The types of people you're worried about do not care because they are not logical people.

[BigCheez]

Whether you believe it or not it's more likely than not happened. Yeah, anyone with eyes can tell a "bad" player. Doesn't change the fact that people will harass people because of poor logs.

It's a question of value vs risk. The value provided by log analysis vastly outweighs the potential risk of someone laughing at someone else's grey parse.

If we're making comparisons to the stalker plogon:

• FFLogs provides legitimate value that has a positive impact on people's gameplay experience. The stalker plogon does not.
• FFLogs does not provide anyone with information that can be used to inhibit your ability to to play the game. The stalker plogon does.
• The data stored on FFLogs cannot be used nefariously by the developers. The data stored by the stalker plogon can.*

*Remember that PlayerScope is still storing your data whether you opt out or not (it just isn't publicly available if you opt out) and we already know that the plugin was developed so that the developer could track who was undercutting him on the marketboard.

It's pretty simple from my point of view. FFLogs is a useful tool that doesn't have much potential to cause harm. The stalker plogon doesn't really do anything useful unless you're specifically looking for additional information about someone that you can use to harass them. You aren't supposed to be able to see someone's alts or their retainers. Given how salty some weirdos get over marketboard activity (or other benign in-game interactions), I don't think making this information publicly available is a good idea. It also enables a lot of other weirdo stalking behaviour.

[CaedemSanguis]

Whether you believe it or not it's more likely than not happened. Yeah, anyone with eyes can tell a "bad" player. Doesn't change the fact that people will harass people because of poor logs.

as long as you dont give your opinion about high end pve without high end pve experience, or if you apply to a static above your experience, you should be fine

there is no problem with someone playing poorly in casual content