fflogs and privacy

[Teno]

OFC who thought about it, there is ESOLogs, WoWLogs, the same Site has something for so many MMOs and its accepted everywhere from the playerbase but ofc the Final Fantasy Player are crying yet again about it

People "cry about it" on these other games too.

[AvoSturmfaust]

People "cry about it" on these other games too.

not in the same extend as FF Players do it, and i played all of them many many years, yea you always have some people crying but in final it starts to get to a absurd amount of crybabys

[Stanelis]

OFC who thought about it, there is ESOLogs, WoWLogs, the same Site has something for so many MMOs and its accepted everywhere from the playerbase but ofc the Final Fantasy Player are crying yet again about it

In ESOlogs the name are hidden and anonymous until the player register to the site and gives approval to make the name public.

[Valence]

In ESOlogs the name are hidden and anonymous until the player register to the site and gives approval to make the name public.

Now that made me curious. Is ESOlogs also held by the same people, and if so, why the change of mind?

[BigCheez]

Now that made me curious. Is ESOlogs also held by the same people, and if so, why the change of mind?

I don't play ESO, so I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that ESOLogs works in an identical manner to FFLogs, i.e. you need to opt out to be hidden, but their damage meter is only able to capture info for players who are also using the damage meter. So you won't have logs if you don't run a damage meter yourself.

[Parona]

I don't play ESO, so I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that ESOLogs works in an identical manner to FFLogs, i.e. you need to opt out to be hidden, but their damage meter is only able to capture info for players who are also using the damage meter. So you won't have logs if you don't run a damage meter yourself.

All three logging websites link to the same patreon page. Also if it's true and using ACT is bannable they can't really go for an Opt-in because otherwise everyone who is logging and uploads a log that only has themselves visible in it because everyone else has not opted-in could get banned.

[Aravell]

I don't get why people always say stuff like this doesn't work if you have an opt-in system, it's very easy to just mark everyone that didn't opt-in as anonymous.

The data will all be there and you can use it just fine, you just will not be able to look up someone and stalk their logs if they don't opt-in.

[TaleraRistain]

I don't get why people always say stuff like this doesn't work if you have an opt-in system, it's very easy to just mark everyone that didn't opt-in as anonymous.

The data will all be there and you can use it just fine, you just will not be able to look up someone and stalk their logs if they don't opt-in.

Yeah this the way they should have done it. It should be an active choice to expose your logs and just have the data anonymous for anyone who doesn't need to. It is a useful tool and we as a community should be pushing them and creators of other tools we deem useful to be something that players opt-in to use.

To the OP, this is really a community issue that we have to solve ourselves. SE has no say over external websites. And even though Yoshi-P knows they're out there any official acknowledgement could be misconstrued as allowing the add-on that gets the information. So this is an instance where we need to clean up our own house.

[CaedemSanguis]

Well it's very usefull to see someone's background for high end pve stuff (and in game harassment is forbidden anyway)

if it bothers you that much, just sign in and hide your logs (but again hiding logs is also an information)

[Saraide]

As you may know fflogs doesn't work on an opt-in model: you have to actually register to opt-out and have your pages set to private, and in fact data about your character and performance is stored and displayed publicly without any consent for everyone unregistered. After seeing that fiasco with that third party mod exploiting the blacklist system, and fflogs also working on a similar opt-in model, this reminded me that I've always found this a little concerning in the first place.

I know SE has little control over external websites, but I do think they still hold some modicum of power into what that can declare "cool" or "not cool".

I'd respectfully ask SE if we can finally have a piece of their mind on this. Thanks.

I thought you just needed to put -fflogs-hidden- or something like that in on your lodestone.