fflogs and privacy

[CaedemSanguis]

No it’s not a red flag. I do high end content, or at least have a go at few savage / extreme clears every expansion as I’m not someone who would enjoy something like a raid schedule (I personally dislike subjecting my gameplay to a schedule, it’s a pastime for me and a static schedule would make it feel like a chore), and I never had problems clearing without looking up people on FF logs. I have my own character opted out for harassment reasons I encountered back in WoW, where the player base was overly toxic by standard and I’d also say by design. From my 10+ years of experience from WoW, I absolutely agree with Yoshi that DPS meters and logs do fuel toxicity and are unnecessary unless someone wants to optimise their gameplay to the limit.

From my experience with Savage / Extreme, the only reason when logs might be needed is when forming a static and you as a group want to min-max and optimise the **** out of the gameplay / rotation.
Otherwise, I have never felt the need to consult FF logs in any content I have cleared, because in 99% cases of clearing / progging through Party Finder, it is very evident what is the issue if the group is struggling, and people who screw something up usually identify the problem on their own. Plus most PF parties disband before any issue might be resolved, but that’s another topic entirely.

most people saying "hiding your log is a red flag" are talking about you applying in a static

and yes it's a red flag when you apply for a static

nobody cares about your logs when doing extremes or savages week 15

[Tulvi]

most people saying "hiding your log is a red flag" are talking about you applying in a static

and yes it's a red flag when you apply for a static

nobody cares about your logs when doing extremes or savages week 15

Every time I’ve done savage, it was week 1-2 and I’ve never seen anyone asking for FF logs. But I do agree with static groups, I even said that’s the only instance in which I find it relevant.

[CaedemSanguis]

Every time I’ve done savage, it was week 1-2 and I’ve never seen anyone asking for FF logs. But I do agree with static groups, I even said that’s the only instance in which I find it relevant.

so joining a p8s clear party week 1 in pf, noboby has asked your logs ?

[Collin_Sky]

most people saying "hiding your log is a red flag" are talking about you applying in a static

and yes it's a red flag when you apply for a static

nobody cares about your logs when doing extremes or savages week 15

Nah, my perspective is that it's information. Information is best when it's freely available, and people who use it to be shitty should be punished. Removing that because of shitty people is never answer. Deal with the shitty people, and others wouldn't feel the need to hide it.

[Lilapop]

Nah, my perspective is that it's information. Information is best when it's freely available, and people who use it to be shitty should be punished. Removing that because of shitty people is never answer. Deal with the shitty people, and others wouldn't feel the need to hide it.

In a perfect world, you're right. Is the world perfect? No. If someone is (for some reason, publicly whether it be in group/alliance/shout/yell/say, whatever) confronting someone about their logs, the consensus is either "u suck git good skrub" or nobody cares with little to no in between.

[Teno]

Wanting to hide your fflogs is a massive red flag

this is also not the same as a literal stalking plugin

Lol cute and innocent, or ignorant. Privacy is privacy for a reason, it's not a big deal for nothing. And trust me baseless sh*tters run rampant whether you see it or not, whether you play with a select group of people or not. I keep my logs to myself and analyze them with the relevant people.

[Jeeqbit]

As you may know fflogs doesn't work on an opt-in model: you have to actually register to opt-out and have your pages set to private

I think they started respecting when you set the lodestone to private now? At least I understand that tomestone does.

I know SE has little control over external websites, but I do think they still hold some modicum of power into what that can declare "cool" or "not cool".

I'd respectfully ask SE if we can finally have a piece of their mind on this. Thanks.

I vaguely recall them making very vague references to it sometimes over the years like "the site". They obviously don't think it's cool.

But I think I recall them saying how they weren't taking aggressive action over everything that players are doing? Obviously that would split players a lot and cause a lot of controversy since the website has a lot of fans and have long been common across many games in the genre.

well, I am sure that they dont get the information out of the aether, so that means that they are accessing FFXIV information from the servers.

The information comes from the battle log that you can see in the game. If the servers do not send that information to you and your party, then the battle log will not be visible. They could probably show the boss HP go down without saying who attacked it, seeing as that is configurable in your battle log, but I don't see them doing that.

[tsuchii]

I'd respectfully ask SE if we can finally have a piece of their mind on this. Thanks.

TOS says it's prohibited. Don't do it. End of thread.

[Nero-Voidstails]

isn't log still huh you know against things? I don't know that's why I am asking

[VeyaAkemi]

isn't log still huh you know against things? I don't know that's why I am asking

If you mean TOS, yesn't, to use tools to gather logs is against TOS, to have your parses logged on FFLogs is a grey area, because anyone who you have partied with is able to upload logs, therefor there is no way to prove any individual raider was the one who uploaded their logs, it's why console players are able to log just fine.