fflogs and privacy

[ExcellusUltimus]

I've progged with many high end groups over the year doing things like week one savage and on-patch ultimate groups. A very common theme, entirely because of FFLOGs, is healer greed. One of my healers, for example, insisted on not healing at all during week one savage clears because it was the best time for them to get a 100th percentile on white mage. So I'm there healing with them as scholar, doing only orange level dps, while they get 100th percentiles and do virtually no healing whatsoever. It was great, in part, because we were one of the top pairs in the world for healing dps, but it felt terrible to prog.

The amount of people who alter their game play to get lulbignumber on fflogs is frustrating. And it's not just at the lowest levels of play, it exists in the hardcore groups as well. It's not a fun experience for everyone else to watch you play like an ape just for lulbignumber when we're progressing.

I ended up leaving that group after a couple raid seasons of this, and I remember watching their stream as they progged DSR on patch. They reached the final phase, and refused to use a medica to heal so they wiped. I have to admit, I got a smile from that. Meanwhile, I cleared the final phase in 2 attempts with another group because I actually heal. I had on patch, and they did not.

I can guarantee you that most people have had a negative experience in this game because of fflogs. The only reason anyone is defending it at all is because lulbignumber makes them feel warm and fuzzy inside. Best rest assured, the actual players care more about whether you cleared and when that clear happened rather than your dps. FFLOGs is not necessary to know that information. It exists on achievements. The website inherently exists to make people who don't understand the game feel good. Self improvement can be done without a website as well.

[Kohashi]

One of my healers, for example, insisted on not healing at all during week one savage clears because it was the best time for them to get a 100th percentile on white mage. So I'm there healing with them as scholar, doing only orange level dps, while they get 100th percentiles and do virtually no healing whatsoever. It was great, in part, because we were one of the top pairs in the world for healing dps, but it felt terrible to prog.

Are you progging or are you doing re-clears? make up your mind if you want to stir up shit cause your story makes no sense.

Depending on the gear level and the fight, solo healing is absolutely possible. Also, let me give you a piece of advice. Heal the bare minimum that you need to. That's why the team exists, for everyone to contribute. It's everyone's business to mitigate and heals are split between the two. By doing the job alone you aren't doing anyone a favor but on the contrary, you do yourself a disservice and also to the team.

If people die to damage or you feel you are doing too much, constructively communicate with the team and find a mit/heal plan that allows both to enjoy and have a good time.

[ExcellusUltimus]

Are you progging or are you doing re-clears? make up your mind if you want to stir up shit cause your story makes no sense.

Depending on the gear level and the fight, solo healing is absolutely possible. Also, let me give you a piece of advice. Heal the bare minimum that you need to. That's why the team exists, for everyone to contribute. It's everyone's business to mitigate and heals are split between the two. By doing the job alone you aren't doing anyone a favor but on the contrary, you do yourself a disservice and also to the team.

If people die to damage or you feel you are doing too much, constructively communicate with the team and find a mit/heal plan that allows both to enjoy and have a good time.

You're not much of a critical thinker are you. We were highly ranked for both, but especially on early clears because they did no healing.

[CaedemSanguis]

I've progged with many high end groups over the year doing things like week one savage and on-patch ultimate groups. A very common theme, entirely because of FFLOGs, is healer greed. One of my healers, for example, insisted on not healing at all during week one savage clears because it was the best time for them to get a 100th percentile on white mage. So I'm there healing with them as scholar, doing only orange level dps, while they get 100th percentiles and do virtually no healing whatsoever. It was great, in part, because we were one of the top pairs in the world for healing dps, but it felt terrible to prog.

The amount of people who alter their game play to get lulbignumber on fflogs is frustrating. And it's not just at the lowest levels of play, it exists in the hardcore groups as well. It's not a fun experience for everyone else to watch you play like an ape just for lulbignumber when we're progressing.

I ended up leaving that group after a couple raid seasons of this, and I remember watching their stream as they progged DSR on patch. They reached the final phase, and refused to use a medica to heal so they wiped. I have to admit, I got a smile from that. Meanwhile, I cleared the final phase in 2 attempts with another group because I actually heal. I had on patch, and they did not.

I can guarantee you that most people have had a negative experience in this game because of fflogs. The only reason anyone is defending it at all is because lulbignumber makes them feel warm and fuzzy inside. Best rest assured, the actual players care more about whether you cleared and when that clear happened rather than your dps. FFLOGs is not necessary to know that information. It exists on achievements. The website inherently exists to make people who don't understand the game feel good. Self improvement can be done without a website as well.

they did week 1 savages and they did not get dsr on patch ? seems unlikely

"Best rest assured, the actual players care more about whether you cleared and when that clear happened rather than your dps. FFLOGs is not necessary to know that information"

from my experience, most HC groups recruit based on reputation/word of mouth, and yes they dont really care about your logs (they check your world prog ranking/clear time/time efficiency) but they just assume that you know how to dps (being able to do 95+)

[Dzian]

In order for fflogs to efficiently work as intended, sadly it cannot be an opt in thing. They need to scan every single person in the party of the person who is uploading that log because they need to verify that they all played legitimately. They have a system to detect if anyone used certain cheats to gain damage advantages and if a single person in that party did, everyone benefited from that so they will invalidate the entire log. They need to know how much RDPS ppl gained from others from their raid buffs etc. There is no way they just can't scan everyone in the party's numbers. There's a reason they do things the way they do and it isn't to harm anyone. Don't blame the website. It's simply supposed to be a tool for ppl who want to improve and push themselves further, blame the brainrotted ppl who use the tool for their clownery. Also, removing fflogs would kill the raid scene, and SE is well aware of this fact so it's not going anywhere. It's been here since the beginning and it will be til the day the game shuts down.

Not at all. All it needs is to anonymize the data. Oh look this parse contains data regarding Blackmage Bob. He did 10k dps in encounter x. But isn't registered on fflogs and hasn't opted in. So now it says "Unregistered Blackmage" did 10k. The data collected is the exact same all that's changed is player names are hidden. Doesn't impact data integrity at all.

[Lilapop]

Not at all. All it needs is to anonymize the data. Oh look this parse contains data regarding Blackmage Bob. He did 10k dps in encounter x. But isn't registered on fflogs and hasn't opted in. So now it says "Unregistered Blackmage" did 25k. The data collected is the exact same all that's changed is player names are hidden. Doesn't impact data integrity at all.

But then how would anyone harass anyone? Think, Dzian!!!

[BigCheez]

Not at all. All it needs is to anonymize the data. Oh look this parse contains data regarding Blackmage Bob. He did 10k dps in encounter x. But isn't registered on fflogs and hasn't opted in. So now it says "Unregistered Blackmage" did 25k. The data collected is the exact same all that's changed is player names are hidden. Doesn't impact data integrity at all.

It would make tomestone pretty useless and enable prog lying, for one.

[Lilapop]

It would make tomestone pretty useless and enable prog lying, for one.

Are you saying prog lying isn't a thing right now...?

[SweetestLily]

Not at all. All it needs is to anonymize the data. Oh look this parse contains data regarding Blackmage Bob. He did 10k dps in encounter x. But isn't registered on fflogs and hasn't opted in. So now it says "Unregistered Blackmage" did 10k. The data collected is the exact same all that's changed is player names are hidden. Doesn't impact data integrity at all.

this is true, but i was more referencing the person who said they did not wish to be scanned at all. i understand ppl want to be anonymous and not be able to be looked up. But i personally, (and i know most other raiders do) find hidden logs to be a bit suspicious. Either hiding the fact you arent pulling your weight, or bought clears

[AvoSturmfaust]

If someone is worried about being "harassed" using FFLogs, then IDK - maybe they should spend 5 minutes learning how their job works so they aren't so catastrophically bad at the game that they consider the information to be harassment. I'm not sure why we're acting like this is something that people are powerless to change when they have a lot of options.

This exactly this, people dont wanna learn the job or anything but are expecting other people to carry their asses and then cry if someone says something.