fflogs and privacy

[BigCheez]

If you mean TOS, yesn't, to use tools to gather logs is against TOS, to have your parses logged on FFLogs is a grey area, because anyone who you have partied with is able to upload logs, therefor there is no way to prove any individual raider was the one who uploaded their logs, it's why console players are able to log just fine.

Using ACT to generate logs violates the ToS.

FFLogs is not a grey area. It's a website and does not interact with the game client in any way whatsoever. It isn't a third-party tool by definition and visiting the website does not violate the ToS in any way, shape or form.

[VeyaAkemi]

Using ACT to generate logs violates the ToS.

FFLogs is not a grey area. It's a website and does not interact with the game client in any way whatsoever. It isn't a third-party tool by definition and visiting the website does not violate the ToS in any way, shape or form.

Yes, I was specifically avoiding using the name of the tool to talk about it because it's something that shouldn't be openly discussed in the forum, but I guess I shouldn't care about that.

And I say it's a "grey area" because, the way I see it, if someone is reliant on or frequently refers to FFLogs, it creates a strong implication they are generating and uploading logs themselves, or knowingly play with people who do, though I also don't think that's a bad thing, ToS in this game is more of a strong suggestion with an underlying of "Just don't get caught" anyway, and in general I'd advocate for an in-game DPS meter as is, to reduce player reliance on tools like ACT and so console players can also benefit from it.

[BigCheez]

Yes, I was specifically avoiding using the name of the tool to talk about it because it's something that shouldn't be openly discussed in the forum, but I guess I shouldn't care about that.

And I say it's a "grey area" because, the way I see it, if someone is reliant on or frequently refers to FFLogs, it creates a strong implication they are generating and uploading logs themselves, or knowingly play with people who do, though I also don't think that's a bad thing, ToS in this game is more of a strong suggestion with an underlying of "Just don't get caught" anyway, and in general I'd advocate for an in-game DPS meter as is, to reduce player reliance on tools like ACT and so console players can also benefit from it.

Even Yoshi-P himself has mentioned ACT by name. I don't think it needs to be given Voldemort status.

Playing with someone who is logging or having someone send you a log file is doesn't violate ToS because you aren't using any third-party tools. Something like playing with someone who is using AM are where this would become grey area because in that scenario you're actively benefitting in-game from someone violating ToS on your behalf and it could be argued that you're using them indirectly yourself.

[Collin_Sky]

I do not condone insulting people for having bad logs
Being bad at the game is fine
Being bad at the game and intentionally hiding is it not

[Lilapop]

I do not condone insulting people for having bad logs
Being bad at the game is fine
Being bad at the game and intentionally hiding is it not

In higher-end content I fully agree, but if you're having a go at someone in normal content for not playing 100% efficiently and optimally, that's where I'd disagree.

[Collin_Sky]

In higher-end content I fully agree, but if you're having a go at someone in normal content for not playing 100% efficiently and optimally, that's where I'd disagree.

If you only play low end content then it doesn't matter if your logs are public, because it doesn't affect you in the slightest
The simple fact is a service like fflogs only works if it's opt out

[Collin_Sky]

In higher-end content I fully agree, but if you're having a go at someone in normal content for not playing 100% efficiently and optimally, that's where I'd disagree.

This will happen regardless of logs. That aside, do you really think people spend the time in normal modes to fflogs their party? Ridiculous.
I can play my job to a point where I don't need to think about what I'm doing, I can spot people playing theirs wrong just by observation, I don't need to see someone's logs to tell the dungeon is going slow when I can see the BLM isn't casting flare/despair/paradox (this literally happened last time I did expert)

Also, a bad player is going to be treated the same if their logs are hidden or if their logs are visible because as I said, hidden logs are a red flag.
It literally makes no difference if they're hidden or not.

[Lilapop]

do you really think people spend the time in normal modes to fflogs their party?

Yes? I have seen people being hassled by it myself and other people (either in this thread or another) have pointed out it already happens. Whether either of us wants to think this perfect positive community is capable ofsomething soooo terrible is irrelevant.

[Collin_Sky]

Yes? I have seen people being hassled by it myself and other people (either in this thread or another) have pointed out it already happens. Whether either of us wants to think this perfect positive community is capable ofsomething soooo terrible is irrelevant.

I do not believe that someone fflogs'd you without prior context to make it worth their time doing.
Literally no one is fflogsing everyone as soon as they join normal modes.
Aside from that, like I said, you can tell someone is playing bad by observation, or even more accurately, ACT. It's not something you have to go to an external website to verify.

[Nero-Voidstails]

well I just saw what it was and not gonna lie shouldn't even be a thing but meh player are player. The day someone speak about mine I will just report haha xx)