The issue with Dawntrail and importance of 8.0

[Archeron]

Honestly 8.0 NEEDS to bring something brand new, and fresh to this game. There is going to be a lot of player drop off by the end of Dawntrail.

The Toxic Positivity crowd have nothing to complain about. Dawntrail is exactly what they asked for. You wanted mediocrity, you crucified anyone who spoke out about issues when the game was popular, and now you reap what you sow. Eat your cake and be merry.

[FemmeFatale]

Haven't seen many of those around here.

Can't imagine why. It's not like you've seen all of the reviews from articles, reddit, the forums, steam reviews, media outlets or youtube videos.. and dismissed them all in favour of living inside your own bubble.. dare i even say echo-chamber? perish the thought.

And yes, i peaked at your history, which is open to the public domain, if you don't wish to be called out on being a hypocrite then don't be hypocritical.

[Exmo]

Can't imagine why. It's not like you've seen all of the reviews from articles, reddit, the forums, steam reviews, media outlets or youtube videos.. and dismissed them all in favour of living inside your own bubble.. dare i even say echo-chamber? perish the thought.

And yes, i peaked at your history, which is open to the public domain, if you don't wish to be called out on being a hypocrite then don't be hypocritical.

You can try calling me out for being a werewolf but that would also be untrue.

The vast majority of players don't leave steam reviews, don't write articles, don't go the FFXIV reddit, don't produce YouTube videos. This is what's known as a vocal minority.

[ReynTime]

Here's an example
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5984212

Thankfully that thread has players who read french natively so it's more than hearsay from americans who think their way is the only way, and it's full of examples.

Kindly stop pretending people are asking for 1:1 translation with nothing being adapted. Changing references and terminologies so that the script still makes sense for other language speakers' cultures is one thing.

Changing the nuances of the characterization, gender identity (the pixies for example) and lore detail to be discrepant with the source and the other supported languages however is akin to inserting personal fanon and THAT's what we're complaining about.

[ovIm]

The vast majority of players don't leave steam reviews, don't write articles, don't go the FFXIV reddit, don't produce YouTube videos. This is what's known as a vocal minority.

Sure, but there are still a lot of people that write reviews. If you consider how statistics work, and how geniunely positive all reviews were before dawntrail, you have to admit that FFXIV, which had a previously very favorable user score, now does not have that anymore. in fact, rougly half of the people writing reviews are in dislike of the current expansion, where previously, this was more in the ballpark of 10%.
(Metacritic User Score Shadowbringers: 9.1 based on 1040 ratings. Endwalker 9.0 based on 1669 ratings. Dawntrail 5.3 based on 1073 ratings)
About as many people ranked Shadowbringers as they did Dawntrail, and in Shadowbringers, they were mostly favorable. All sources point to you not acknowledging the facts.

look, its okay to like Dawntrail. Truly. If you enjoyed it, that is fine.
But brushing all these voices aside because they criticize a product you enjoy, that's erasing their voices and their relevance, and that's closing your eyes from the truth.

[PorxiesRCute]

Here's an example
https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5984212

Thankfully that thread has players who read french natively so it's more than hearsay from americans who think their way is the only way, and it's full of examples.

Kindly stop pretending people are asking for 1:1 translation with nothing being adapted. Changing references and terminologies so that the script still makes sense for other language speakers' cultures is one thing.

Changing the nuances of the characterization, gender identity (the pixies for example) and lore detail to be discrepant with the source and the other supported languages however is akin to inserting personal fanon and THAT's what we're complaining about.

The thread you linked doesn't say anything about the pixies' gender identities. I used the Search Thread tool and got nothing.

Were they presented as female in Japanese, or were they presented without any gendered words at all but you assumed they were female because of their appearance? I actually know enough Japanese to say that the latter is more statistically likely, but I'm open to being proved wrong.

Speaking of the post you linked, the argument is about this line:

Though His is a power born of the desire for salvation, we have seen the havoc it may wreak. And it falls to us to ensure that it is never again brought to bear upon this star.

Is it a direct 1-to-1 translation? No. Do I think it could have been worded more faithfully? Sure. But it's hardly the end of the world. What havoc did Zodiark's power born of the desire for salvation wreak? It tempered His followers and made them fight to rejoin the shards. It's not an untrue statement.

The rest of the thread is arguments about Zodiark and ad hominems being slung back and forth, so I'm not super inclined to read through even more pages of it.

Further, it is one statement that was made in patch 5.4. Previously in this thread you said, "Including how what's-her-face changed characters' perspectives in post 6.0 dialogue to give a stronger black and white depiction of Zodiark and Hydaelin". There... wasn't actually a lot of post 6.0 dialogue about Zodiark and Hydaelyn. So what are you talking about?

[Striker44]

Sure, but there are still a lot of people that write reviews. If you consider how statistics work, and how geniunely positive all reviews were before dawntrail, you have to admit that FFXIV, which had a previously very favorable user score, now does not have that anymore. in fact, rougly half of the people writing reviews are in dislike of the current expansion, where previously, this was more in the ballpark of 10%.

The question is who are the people most likely to write the reviews. They're not a random sample of the population. There is most certainly a specific subset of the gaming population that is significantly more likely to inhabit Reddit, post reviews, etc.. They do not represent anywhere near a majority of gamers, but they are by far the "loudest" voices. DT was most definitely not designed for them, so it doesn't surprise me to see the voluntary sample that is all "reviews" like this are is different than in past expansions. There's also a reason voluntary samples are known throughout the actual statistics community as being the most unreliable type.

It is just as much (if not significantly moreso) closing your eyes to the truth when you do the same exact thing and brush aside any voices that praise or enjoy a product you personally dislike. That's also erasing their voices and their relevance, and when you fail to consider on top of that how large that population may be in comparison...well, it explains why this place remains such an echo chamber of negativity and frustration as people work themselves up over the dev team "ignoring" them, when all that's really happening is they're listening to the much larger group of players that aren't here.

[Supersnow845]

The question is who are the people most likely to write the reviews. They're not a random sample of the population. There is most certainly a specific subset of the gaming population that is significantly more likely to inhabit Reddit, post reviews, etc.. They do not represent anywhere near a majority of gamers, but they are by far the "loudest" voices. DT was most definitely not designed for them, so it doesn't surprise me to see the voluntary sample that is all "reviews" like this are is different than in past expansions. There's also a reason voluntary samples are known throughout the actual statistics community as being the most unreliable type.

It is just as much (if not significantly moreso) closing your eyes to the truth when you do the same exact thing and brush aside any voices that praise or enjoy a product you personally dislike. That's also erasing their voices and their relevance, and when you fail to consider on top of that how large that population may be in comparison...well, it explains why this place remains such an echo chamber of negativity and frustration as people work themselves up over the dev team "ignoring" them, when all that's really happening is they're listening to the much larger group of players that aren't here.

Yeah the collapsing population is definitely indicative of strikers “MAH MAJORATAH” being catered to

[Alice_Rivers]

The English "Translation" does have some really strange choices in it, especially when it's in support of voiced lines. I refuse to listen to an English translation of any Japanese work if I can help it since I know just enough spoken Japanese to get myself in trouble. It was particularly peculiar when listening to the Japanese voice line referring, in English, to a "Main Terminal" and the English subtitle reading "Meso Terminal" and wondering why they even thought to change that. There are plenty of other examples I've encountered where a spoken line differed from, or was outright absent from, the localised text but I can't remember them in sufficient detail now.

[Supersnow845]

Aren’t the Japanese jealous of the English translation because it actually gives a lot of interesting characterisation to characters compared to the more robotic JP original

I was always led to believe that it was a pretty universal belief that the English translation was best because it actually tried something different