Thread: The issue with Dawntrail and importance of 8.0

Originally Posted by Lilapop

"Any opinion I don't share is copium." Strange take.

Ironically, the actual copium sounds like they'd suddenly break their tested, tried, and true formula they've had since heavensward. But the day you'd acknowledge your own opinion as copium would be true Absurdity.

Might want to work on your reading comprehension, because that's exactly what I just said. I explained why people are looking towards 8.0 to fix the game's issues, not that I actually believe they will, since all evidence so far points towards the devs being slower than continental drift when it comes to changing their established methods.

Originally Posted by Striker44

The question is who are the people most likely to write the reviews. They're not a random sample of the population.

That is, for all intends and purposes, irrelevant when you compare it to how previous expansions were rated by the customers. If Dawntrail was as good as previous expansions, the same amount of people would still praise the expansion. Just checking ShB and DT, metacritic had about the same amount of people give their opinion on it. If DT was so loved by the majority, then it would show in how the expansion was received.

It is just as much (if not significantly moreso) closing your eyes to the truth when you do the same exact thing and brush aside any voices that praise or enjoy a product you personally dislike. That's also erasing their voices and their relevance, and when you fail to consider on top of that how large that population may be in comparison...well, it explains why this place remains such an echo chamber of negativity and frustration as people work themselves up over the dev team "ignoring" them, when all that's really happening is they're listening to the much larger group of players that aren't here.

This is a forum. Posting in a forum means that any idea you put up will be analyzed, dissected, and possibly criticized. That is the nature of how places like these operate. Any post here can be challenged in one way or another. And if you go ahead to say that ~50% of the players liking the product are a vast majority, then that opinion will most certainly be challenged. This is not voice erasure, this is forum discourse.

As I said previously - its okay if you liked Dawntrail. More power to you. But liking something does not mean you cannot allow criticism of said thing.

Originally Posted by ovIm

As I said previously - its okay if you liked Dawntrail. More power to you. But liking something does not mean you cannot allow criticism of said thing.

The same is true to those who like criticisms of DT, who narrativize a population decline into a disastrous population collapse, who consider the rise in negative steam reviews to not be fueled by the well known portion of bigots in the community. It would be a mistake to take the latter at face value. Much of the criticisms of DT on this forum (not all, much) is not genuine. Much of it is people being weird and unreasonable, people making stuff up, people being incapable of interacting with the text, people being unable to escape their expectations. It should be perfectly acceptable for others to criticize these opinions and see them as invalid, even if you don't agree with those criticisms. And yet, we've seen here people responding weirdly to those who contravene the echo in this chamber - either by incoherently frothing at the mouth like someone else in this thread, or like you have done by monologuing about how thou doth shield thine eyes from the truth. If like you said people here were engaging in open discourse in good faith, they would not respond with such hostility to opinions counter to their own, they would be able to respond without getting hostile or mocking those they disagree with. The fact that the latter behavior is rare here is indicative of a bad atmosphere.

Originally Posted by Exmo

The same is true to those who dislike criticisms of DT, who narrativize a population decline into a disastrous population collapse, who consider the rise in negative steam reviews to not be fueled by the well known portion of bigots in the community. It would be a mistake to take the latter at face value. Much of the criticisms of DT on this forum (not all, much) is not genuine. Much of it is people being weird and unreasonable, people making stuff up, people being incapable of interacting with the text, people being unable to escape their expectations. It should be perfectly acceptable for others to criticize these opinions and see them as invalid, even if you don't agree with those criticisms. And yet, we've seen here people responding weirdly to those who contravene the echo in this chamber - either by incoherently frothing at the mouth like someone else in this thread, or like you have done by monologuing about how thou doth shield thine eyes from the truth. If like you said people here were engaging in open discourse in good faith, they would not respond with such hostility to opinions counter to their own, they would be able to respond without getting hostile or mocking those they disagree with. The fact that the latter behavior is rare here is indicative of a bad atmosphere.

Your first post on this thread was saying “nah DT was actually good”

Like genuinely what do you expect people to calmly analyse about that?

You haven’t defended your stance nor have you opted to do any sort of discussion you are asking others to calmly do with you

You basically said “nah DT good actually” then went into a silent majority fallacy then asked people to respect your minority on the forums opinion