Thread: The issue with Dawntrail and importance of 8.0

Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Your first post on this thread was saying “nah DT was actually good”

Like genuinely what do you expect people to calmly analyse about that?

You haven’t defended your stance nor have you opted to do any sort of discussion you are asking others to calmly do with you

You basically said “nah DT good actually” then went into a silent majority fallacy then asked people to respect your minority on the forums opinion

I didn't ask anyone to calmly analyse my post or respect my opinion. I simply said "DT was great" and some people went WILD. And when I point out how weird they behave they get more and more upitty. As in, people are trying to prove this place isn't an echo chamber by drowning out differing opinions and shunning dissenters. (And all this because someone dredged posts from different threads and responded to them here in an off topic way, which I think is not normal behavior.)

Btw it's not a fallacy to say the vast majority of players are not on these forums nor post reviews online. You may believe it's not true but that does not make it a fallacy.

Originally Posted by ovIm

you are choosing to ignore the proper, in depth posts

I'm not ignoring good posts. Either I haven't seen them, or posts you think are good I think are bad. Feel free to link an example of something you thought was good. I won't respond in depth if I think it's bad but I can tell you if I hadn't seen it before and it's valid.

Otherwise, here's the thing. You have repeatedly tried to admonish me by describing what you think my intent is - that I chose to ignore something, for example. But you can't read my mind, you're only guessing what my intent is, and you're guesses are continuously framed as negative. On the other hand, I'm describing your behavior and how it comes across as insulting and mocking. For example, you can make most of the points you've been making without tossing in insults. Given how you're still doing it, I'm inclined to think the insults are part of your point - the goal isn't to discuss, the goal is to mock. I'll be honest, it's no skin off my neck, the insults don't affect me, but as I said before, it creates a bad atmosphere here. I have no intention of pretending we can have a conversation in good faith about the merits of DT, etc. in this atmosphere without it being a waste of time. I know full well exhaustion is a tactic used by bad faith actors online to shut down conversation, so I'm not willing to get hard numbers for you on how many steam reviews and reddit posts there are in comparison to the active player count (something like 4k vs 1 million btw).

Btw, you described me as ranting. You've mistaken my tone. As I said before I think how some of you are behaving is hilarious, because it proves the point you're trying to refute.

Lastly, Dawntrail is great. It's def not perfect but overall I had a good time with it and enjoyed it a lot. I find much of the writing to be compelling. But I'm probably approaching it with a different perspective than many other people. That's fine though, right?

The fact that you people seem to think 8.0 should be the moment we see differences is already telling a LOT about how much this game has partially mind eaten the community. 7.2 should be the time we begin to see difference, 7.3 has to be where those change are confirmed. Having to wait for 8.0 would only mean it takes years to change anything, and it's just not worth supporting this sinking ship anymore.

Originally Posted by Exmo

so I'm not willing to get hard numbers for you on how many steam reviews and reddit posts there are in comparison to the active player count (something like 4k vs 1 million btw).

For fun I did a super quick check for steam reviews of FFXIV

DT = 4300 reviews, slightly less than half liked it (ie 2k)
EW = 1300 reviews, most liked it
ShB = 800 reviews, most liked it

Don't you think it's odd how the count for DT is three times more than that of EW? That's such a suspicious uptick.

The fact that DT has double the number of positive reviews as EW is also notable and funny, as if people go out of their way to counter negative reviews which go out of their way to counter positive reviews. This whole thing seems manufactured as sin. I don't know how anyone can look at the state of this and think it's organic.

Originally Posted by Exmo

For fun I did a super quick check for steam reviews of FFXIV

DT = 4300 reviews, slightly less than half liked it (ie 2k)
EW = 1300 reviews, most liked it
ShB = 800 reviews, most liked it

Don't you think it's odd how the count for DT is three times more than that of EW? That's such a suspicious uptick.

The fact that DT has double the number of positive reviews as EW is also notable and funny, as if people go out of their way to counter negative reviews which go out of their way to counter positive reviews. This whole thing seems manufactured as sin. I don't know how anyone can look at the state of this and think it's organic.

For fun I did a super quick check for steam population of FFXIV.

August 2021 : 40000 (Peak 65000)
December 2021 : 53700 (peak 95000)
January 2022 : 36614 (peak 65656)
January 2023 : 27140 (peak 48000)
July 2024 (DT) : 42000 (peak 77000)
January 2025 : 17229 (Peak 25783)

You're welcome.

Originally Posted by Exmo

What's that got to do with steam reviews? Come back with those goal posts!

Woosh the point right above your head

Originally Posted by Supersnow845

So your logic is

EW=2000 good reviews DT=2000 good reviews and 2000 fake bad reviews because it has more reviews

Well that’s certainly logic, I wouldn’t say it’s good logic but it’s something

That's not remotely what I said but thank you for trying, I appreciate the effort.