Thread: The issue with Dawntrail and importance of 8.0

I think a Meracydia expansion is a given at this point. Helping in the war effort, finding the last great dragon. The WOL being a hero again and giving SE a chance to truly introduce a new cast, new trusts, new updated jobs would be a great selling point.

Doing exploration content in 8.15 and front loading the expansion would be probably the biggest change to make. Like the OP I am also concerned because we saw a Huge failure in terms of job balance at the beginning of the expansion and that was with barely any changes to jobs.

Many people are expecting big changes to jobs and adjusting the 2 minute meta. That is copium. I think the best we can ask for is a better MSQ experience and a better patch cycle release in terms of content provided.

Originally Posted by Daralii

Considering Yoshida said more recently that he wants the main game's gameplay to be easily translatable to mobile, I very much doubt that 8.0's reworks will do anything people have been asking for. If anything, I'm expecting most of them to be brought to EW SMN's level.

Where did he say that?

From what I've seen of the mobile version though, it's better. Even its version of ARR has more abilities and although it could just be gear and getting used to it, the ifrit fight seemed a lot more fun than the striking dummy version we fight and that was just the normal version.

Originally Posted by ViinaS

• Very formulaic

You don't know how much formulaic FFXIV is until you realize that every major story arc since ShB has always concluded with a dungeon set in past memories of a major event that fueled the antagonist's ambition/plans (Amaurot, The Dead Ends, The Lunar Subterranean, Alexandria)

FFXIV is very formulaic beyond what one might even imagine, and this is a bad thing tbh.

I've been writing a lot on the forums, but I'll just say this on this thread.

The whole of Game of thrones was sullied any rewatchability because of how season 8 was rushed and butchered.
That is what happened to me and WoW over the years, they butchered the lore and worldbuilding so bad, along with the "story" that whatever they pump out now isn't going to undo things that they ruined within the lore.

Right now? FFXIV has some things like Dynamis and spaceships, getting rid of the Twelve in a haphazard way (if anyone found out in Eorzea that the gods were "fake" there would be a huge religious meltdown, compare it to what happened in Ishgard) and removing mysticism that are sloooowly edging towards that. But we aren't there yet.

8.0 CAN be mid storywise, the community isn't leaving anywhere and they will have a healthy population because there simply isnt anything else on the market aside from WoW. (lets be real here, sorry GW2 and Elder Scrolls online etc). But if the story, worldbuilding is ruined AND the gameplay is mid too? I have a feeling that its going to bite them hard.

But toning down my doomer for a moment, we still have patches left in Dawntrail. But sheesh, are they really going to leave the exploration in space (urgh) and Bozja/Eureka clone to the END of the expansion? A bit of a weird decision. If not straight up changes, they could AT LEAST communicate CLEAR ROADMAPS for us instead of vague interviews we have to fish out with a casual "please look forward to it" magic yoshi pr missile attached to it.

Originally Posted by Hallarem

are they really going to leave the exploration in space (urgh) and Bozja/Eureka clone to the END of the expansion?

Precedent tells us that Shades' Triangle will be in 7.25 (which isn't the end of the expansion, more like 2/5ths of the way into it). Others may follow. I'm not sure how many, but at least one more will probably be in 7.55.

Precedent also tells us that Cosmic Exploration should release in either 7.1 or 7.2 - obviously only 7.2 remains. I'm expecting this one to receive a lot of updates since the point seems to be to explore lots of different worlds.

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Precedent tells us that Shades' Triangle will be in 7.25 (which isn't the end of the expansion, more like 2/5ths of the way into it). Others may follow. I'm not sure how many, but at least one more will probably be in 7.55.

Precedent also tells us that Cosmic Exploration should release in either 7.1 or 7.2 - obviously only 7.2 remains. I'm expecting this one to receive a lot of updates since the point seems to be to explore lots of different worlds.

Depends how they approach it I guess, the cosmic exploration has some real like REAL ramifications for world building and I severely dislike going into space before we have even explored the whole of the map of Hydaelyn. But I have a feeling they are approaching this again from the point of view of "Fun vs actual worldbuilding"
The expedition will be interesting to see how they work that out and try to combine the best of Bozja and Eureka, hopefully by adding some new concepts or trying them out.

Suppose we'll see, I'll hold my breath until things are actually released and explored a bit more.

I really can't see them getting out of this comfort zone they've been building for so many years, with game balance and job design.

Going for major changes when they don't nerf any job feels like insanity. In 4 to 5 months since DT released, jobs were still unbalanced for FRU, with the .08 patch being skipped. All I can do is hope it will be a positive surprise. I don't think much will change.